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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

Anonymous wrote:I think address is the most telling part of class. Old cars old clothes ah shucks attitude— it all ends with the address in the top zip codes of beaches, mountains, historic districts, and urban enclaves like McLean.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

This is a very strange comment. You think rich people do not go to Portugal?

Certainly some rich people will go to Portugal. But the most likely traveler to Portugal will be UMC. Reasons for this- 1) Portugal's reputation as a budget destination, and 2) its relative obscurity makes the UMC traveler feel like they've conquered the hinterlands.

No. It is in Western Europe. It is just a cool country. And manageable for a fairly short trip. It is not obscure at all.

That's your view. It's still true that Portugal became a common destination among the UMC when the euro hit a high, and jet fuel prices were surging. So there's a correlation there. I've never known truly wealthy people to vacation there. That doesn't make it a bad destination. As I have said, I am WC, so calm down. Are you middle class? Relax. Try meditation. All the UMCers are doing it, as you know.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

This is a very strange comment. You think rich people do not go to Portugal?

Certainly some rich people will go to Portugal. But the most likely traveler to Portugal will be UMC. Reasons for this- 1) Portugal's reputation as a budget destination, and 2) its relative obscurity makes the UMC traveler feel like they've conquered the hinterlands.

No. It is in Western Europe. It is just a cool country. And manageable for a fairly short trip. It is not obscure at all.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

This is a very strange comment. You think rich people do not go to Portugal?

Certainly some rich people will go to Portugal. But the most likely traveler to Portugal will be UMC. Reasons for this- 1) Portugal's reputation as a budget destination, and 2) its relative obscurity makes the UMC traveler feel like they've conquered the hinterlands.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

This is a very strange comment. You think rich people do not go to Portugal?

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n

The rich don't go to Portugal. The UMC goes. MC doesn't. So this comment is odd.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

How does this account for generational change? I doubt your children will grow up feeling WC, for instance. I think associating class with culture and values and NOT money across generations is very European but it's much more mixed up and confusing here.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you be rich and middle class at the same time?

Profile writer here. You can be unusual for your class. But, class frames perspective, so no. I'm WC but have a high HHI (even high for UMC). I am still WC.

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Anonymous wrote:My take on OP's post had more to do with what people choose given what the means they have than what their means are. TV and bar cart vs piano and books--exactly. The piano may me a 1900 upright instead of a Steinway baby grand, and the books may be from a thrift store but carefully selected.

OP here. Yes, this was what I was trying to explore. Should have known the DCUM crowd would devolve into arguing about private schools and tax brackets.

Agree on the distinctions. Here’s another: when you go to Portugal, is that to hang out on the beaches or to visit the museums and sip sherry?

I hate to say this, though, but I think these are distinctions between MC and UMC. Old money where there’s still lots of money have a family grand piano, but nobody can play it well.

I don’t understand the Portugal part. Most people hit the beaches and museums n