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Anonymous wrote:The one thing that i really haven't seen anywhere by the defenders of diversity is Why is it so good or even needed. They just assert it, when evidence all over the world shows that bringing together people of different world views, races and religion forcibly under one roof only increases animosity and conflict

Turkey, Serbia, Bosnia, Sri Lanka, Itaq, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan, India, Myanmar on and on There is not a single country where diversity had worked. And like everywhere in the world, it will fall on the US and plunge this country into chaos

The one I can think of where it worked great is called the United States of America.

And we can certainly debate whether colleges should strive for diversity. The fact is they do, and in the case of private colleges, it is currently their prerogative.

We can also debate whether athletes should have preferences, or other talents... etc.

I call BS on this assertion. It has not worked in the US. Whether you talk about slavery, the bigotry against the Irish, Italians,, Polish or the terrible political divide in this country that has been steadily building in this country since the immigration act of 1965 remade the demographics of the US, diversity had not worked for this country. In fact it has given rise identity politics on both sides

Anonymous wrote:The one thing that i really haven't seen anywhere by the defenders of diversity is Why is it so good or even needed. They just assert it, when evidence all over the world shows that bringing together people of different world views, races and religion forcibly under one roof only increases animosity and conflict

Turkey, Serbia, Bosnia, Sri Lanka, Itaq, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan, India, Myanmar on and on There is not a single country where diversity had worked. And like everywhere in the world, it will fall on the US and plunge this country into chaos

The one I can think of where it worked great is called the United States of America.

And we can certainly debate whether colleges should strive for diversity. The fact is they do, and in the case of private colleges, it is currently their prerogative.

We can also debate whether athletes should have preferences, or other talents... etc.

The one thing that i really haven't seen anywhere by the defenders of diversity is Why is it so good or even needed. They just assert it, when evidence all over the world shows that bringing together people of different world views, races and religion forcibly under one roof only increases animosity and conflict

Turkey, Serbia, Bosnia, Sri Lanka, Itaq, Sudan, Congo, Afghanistan, India, Myanmar on and on There is not a single country where diversity had worked. And like everywhere in the world, it will fall on the US and plunge this country into chaos

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the article (seems like so many posters are taking the plaintiffs allegations as fact).

Harvard vigorously disagreed on Friday, saying that its own expert analysis showed no discrimination and that seeking diversity is a valuable part of student selection. The university lashed out at the founder of Students for Fair Admissions, Edward Blum, accusing him of using Harvard to replay a previous challenge to affirmative action in college admissions, Fisher v. the University of Texas at Austin. In its 2016 decision in that case, the Supreme Court ruled that race could be used as one of many factors in admissions.[/b



[b]“Thorough and comprehensive analysis of the data and evidence makes clear that Harvard College does not discriminate against applicants from any group, including Asian-Americans, whose rate of admission has grown 29 percent over the last decade,” Harvard said in a statement. “Mr. Blum and his organization’s incomplete and misleading data analysis paint a dangerously inaccurate picture of Harvard College’s whole-person admissions process by omitting critical data and information factors.”

Great. Then we should just believe Harvard and it's self serving statement along with it's ad hominem attack on Blum. Eff Harvard. Hope they lose big.

No more or less than we should just take the allegations by the plaintiff as facts.
This is exactly the same outfit that tried unsuccessfully to kill affirmative action on Fisher v. Univ. of Texas.

I went to an Ivy and the Asian kids tended to be boring and more concerned with test scores and grades than campus life. If Harvard’s past tactics are deemed discriminatory, they’ll be smart enough to find a way to further de-emphasize standardized test scores to maintain some sense of balance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, you should read the article posted by th OP. It says:

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans.

So I am not sure if you don't understand or just pretend to espouse your racist views.

You argument is called an "argument from ignorance" fallacy. You state:

It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor

For which you have no evidence. None.

o.k., peace.

Glad you agree, and I hope you reconsider your position.

Anonymous wrote:From the article (seems like so many posters are taking the plaintiffs allegations as fact).

Harvard vigorously disagreed on Friday, saying that its own expert analysis showed no discrimination and that seeking diversity is a valuable part of student selection. The university lashed out at the founder of Students for Fair Admissions, Edward Blum, accusing him of using Harvard to replay a previous challenge to affirmative action in college admissions, Fisher v. the University of Texas at Austin. In its 2016 decision in that case, the Supreme Court ruled that race could be used as one of many factors in admissions.[/b



[b]“Thorough and comprehensive analysis of the data and evidence makes clear that Harvard College does not discriminate against applicants from any group, including Asian-Americans, whose rate of admission has grown 29 percent over the last decade,” Harvard said in a statement. “Mr. Blum and his organization’s incomplete and misleading data analysis paint a dangerously inaccurate picture of Harvard College’s whole-person admissions process by omitting critical data and information factors.”

Great. Then we should just believe Harvard and it's self serving statement along with it's ad hominem attack on Blum. Eff Harvard. Hope they lose big.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Well, you should read the article posted by th OP. It says:

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans.

So I am not sure if you don't understand or just pretend to espouse your racist views.

You argument is called an "argument from ignorance" fallacy. You state:

It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor

For which you have no evidence. None.

o.k., peace.

Anonymous wrote:

Well, you should read the article posted by th OP. It says:

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans.

So I am not sure if you don't understand or just pretend to espouse your racist views.

You argument is called an "argument from ignorance" fallacy. You state:

It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor

For which you have no evidence. None.

Anonymous wrote:But students with the same qualifications as Asian students are not labeled 'standard strong' but get labels such as "creative' and "kind." Sounds racist to me.

How do we know this? What "qualifications" are you taking about? If it's test scores, you are missing the point. The point is they are looking at LOR and other factors, which can be very subjective. You can have perfect test scores and "great" ECs, but if you are all about yourself and your teacher says you are a jerk in the OR, they don't want you. I'm not saying Asian kids are jerks, not at all, what I am saying is we don't know what their LORs say. Without seeing what the admissions officers saw, it's hard to make a judgment. I agree the raw percentages look suspect, but what's behind them? Harvard claims it is statistical cherry picking. Maybe it is. Hard to say without seeing what those "qualifications" are.

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Anonymous wrote:

??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.

You are a bad human being.

PS the kid admitted to Harvard from my school two years back had 1600 SAT, Presidential Scholar, NMS, president of class, and a great guy. African American also. He invites you to take the thumb off the scale for him and jam it up your ass.

Well, you should read the article posted by th OP. It says:

What brought the Asian-American number down to roughly 18 percent, or about the actual share, was accounting for a category called “demographic,” the study found. This pushed up African-American and Hispanic numbers, while reducing whites and Asian-Americans.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.

You are a bad human being.

PS the kid admitted to Harvard from my school two years back had 1600 SAT, Presidential Scholar, NMS, president of class, and a great guy. African American also. He invites you to take the thumb off the scale for him and jam it up your ass.

You're a bit of a hot head. The percent of black students in Harvard's entering class has risen every year in recent years and is now over 15%. I don't see how it makes me a "bad person" to note that this wouldn't happen unless Harvard deliberately decided to increase its percentage of black students. And it is legal of course.

I know you don't see how it makes you a bad person. That we agree on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.

You are a bad human being.

PS the kid admitted to Harvard from my school two years back had 1600 SAT, Presidential Scholar, NMS, president of class, and a great guy. African American also. He invites you to take the thumb off the scale for him and jam it up your ass.

You're a bit of a hot head. The percent of black students in Harvard's entering class has risen every year in recent years and is now over 15%. I don't see how it makes me a "bad person" to note that this wouldn't happen unless Harvard deliberately decided to increase its percentage of black students. And it is legal of course.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.

You are a bad human being.

PS the kid admitted to Harvard from my school two years back had 1600 SAT, Presidential Scholar, NMS, president of class, and a great guy. African American also. He invites you to take the thumb off the scale for him and jam it up your ass.

That's one person. Those stats are exemplary. I'm talking about how Harvard has 15% black students nbow; they're over-represented. The school admits it engages in racial balancing so get off your high horse.

Anonymous wrote:

??? Blacks make up over 15% of the class. It is very unlikely they could have attained that level without a thumb being placed on the scale in their favor. They are over-represented at Harvard. Indeed the only group under-represented now is whites.

You are a bad human being.

PS the kid admitted to Harvard from my school two years back had 1600 SAT, Presidential Scholar, NMS, president of class, and a great guy. African American also. He invites you to take the thumb off the scale for him and jam it up your ass.