Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:30
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
There will be ~2% more whites at Key. It looks more diverse to me after the change:
Key now -> Key after
Hispanic
52 -> 27
Asian
4 -> 17
White
33 -> 35
Black
5 -> 11
Disadvantaged
43 -> 40
It’s benefiting the whites in Cherrydale which i think was PPs point.
So you want to screw over Rosslyn and Courthouse by sending them to Taylor, just to get back at Cherrydale? That’s what happens when you keep a lottery only school at Key. I know Key works well for families that are there right now. Unfortunately, as time goes on it serves the neighborhood less and less.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:21
Subject: What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Hmm, considering that Nottingham is still in running, was the re-work by staff actually to take ASFS out of option pool, b/c those CD parents were up in arms that their plans were backfiring?
Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:20
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
There will be ~2% more whites at Key. It looks more diverse to me after the change:
Key now -> Key after
Hispanic
52 -> 27
Asian
4 -> 17
White
33 -> 35
Black
5 -> 11
Disadvantaged
43 -> 40
It’s benefiting the whites in Cherrydale which i think was PPs point.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:10
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
There will be ~2% more whites at Key. It looks more diverse to me after the change:
Key now -> Key after
Hispanic
52 -> 27
Asian
4 -> 17
White
33 -> 35
Black
5 -> 11
Disadvantaged
43 -> 40
Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:03
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
Ha, no. No one at ASFS wanted to move. It was Cherrydale parents who orchestrated this. They get the cool new lab but have kind of lackluster outdoor space.
I said whites, not ASFS.
Agree current Key families are getting shaft.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 20:02
Subject: What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:I do not understand why you and the APS seem to think that if you put an option school in south arlington all the low income kids will flock to it. It may seem logical .... but it really isn't going to solve the problem.
As far as immersion is concerned, you can put the school at the low income Spanish speaking immigrant's door step and they will not flock to it. They do not understand the value of dual immersion to their child (and neither do most native English speakers either). Those families want their kids to learn English asap. I don't blame them. APS would need to spend some serious resources to get more of these kids into immersion and they have failed this far. Distance isn't an issue - Claremont is only 5 minutes from columbia pike. We are not talking a 30 minute commute even in Arlington's rush hour.
The reality is that option schools are generally used by white south arlington parents to escape low performing neighborhood schools, mainly Barcroft, Carlin Springs, Drew and Randolph. Just look at the transfer rates for these schools. We were at Claremont for 5 years and I have met way too many parents on both sides of Arlington's socio economic scale, and this is just reality.
There is some of that escape hatch stuff—sure. To be fair, when Key/ASFS shared a boundary, it seemed like most Latinos in the boundary chose Key. Folks strike me as a mix of committed immersion fans, those who like to walk to a school, and various others, including lottery winners. It works well.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:59
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
Ha, no. No one at ASFS wanted to move. It was Cherrydale parents who orchestrated this. They get the cool new lab but have kind of lackluster outdoor space.
Agree current Key families are getting shaft.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:58
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
The school is staying. Just the boundaries will change.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:53
Subject: What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
I do not understand why you and the APS seem to think that if you put an option school in south arlington all the low income kids will flock to it. It may seem logical .... but it really isn't going to solve the problem.
As far as immersion is concerned, you can put the school at the low income Spanish speaking immigrant's door step and they will not flock to it. They do not understand the value of dual immersion to their child (and neither do most native English speakers either). Those families want their kids to learn English asap. I don't blame them. APS would need to spend some serious resources to get more of these kids into immersion and they have failed this far. Distance isn't an issue - Claremont is only 5 minutes from columbia pike. We are not talking a 30 minute commute even in Arlington's rush hour.
The reality is that option schools are generally used by white south arlington parents to escape low performing neighborhood schools, mainly Barcroft, Carlin Springs, Drew and Randolph. Just look at the transfer rates for these schools. We were at Claremont for 5 years and I have met way too many parents on both sides of Arlington's socio economic scale, and this is just reality.
As far as immersion is concerned, you can put the school at the low income Spanish speaking immigrant's door step and they will not flock to it. They do not understand the value of dual immersion to their child (and neither do most native English speakers either). Those families want their kids to learn English asap. I don't blame them. APS would need to spend some serious resources to get more of these kids into immersion and they have failed this far. Distance isn't an issue - Claremont is only 5 minutes from columbia pike. We are not talking a 30 minute commute even in Arlington's rush hour.
The reality is that option schools are generally used by white south arlington parents to escape low performing neighborhood schools, mainly Barcroft, Carlin Springs, Drew and Randolph. Just look at the transfer rates for these schools. We were at Claremont for 5 years and I have met way too many parents on both sides of Arlington's socio economic scale, and this is just reality.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:47
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Yes, a majority Latino school seems like it is being taken for the benefit of a majority of whites.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:39
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Eh, Key has an amazing playground, green grass and better field space. SB will be out of money to renovate playground or turf after all this shenanigans, so everyone is giving up something.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:37
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Is there no longer going to be a science focus school? If there is going to be one, shouldn’t it be in south Arlington for purposes of equal opportunity?
Staff has recommended that ASFS remain a neighborhood school. Presumably that means it will stay where it is and serve the neighborhood it is actually located in rather than the Key boundaries for which it is currently the neighborhood school. Not sure what you mean by suggesting it should be in south Arlington for equal opportunity purposes. Care to elaborate? And really, it’s not like the school has that much more science instruction - it doesn’t.
Yes. Many people praise the value of STEM education. I do too. I think the county should have a Science Focus School (whatever it’s called) that is, frankly, more inclusive of lower income students. Putting it in south Arlington wound help meet that goal because such students wouldn’t have to confront a long bus ride. That helps with giving students equal opportunity to avail themselves of this option. It’s obvious to me. I’ll raise this with the powers that be.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:32
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Is there no longer going to be a science focus school? If there is going to be one, shouldn’t it be in south Arlington for purposes of equal opportunity?
There hasn’t been a science focus school as an option since they changed the transfer policy a year ago. It is a neighborhood school right now.
Oh. I thought it was called Arlington Science Focus. In any event, I think that Science Focus should be an option school situated in south Arlington so that underprivileged groups could have easier access to it. Those in north Arlington who still want Science Focus could take a bus.
That's a nice idea, but ASFS isn't an option school and the SB has said they are not creating any new option schools as part of this process. So let's move on from this fantasy.
I’m entitled to bring it up with the school board. We really need a countywide Science Focus option. And it should be in south Arlington.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:31
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Is there no longer going to be a science focus school? If there is going to be one, shouldn’t it be in south Arlington for purposes of equal opportunity?
Staff has recommended that ASFS remain a neighborhood school. Presumably that means it will stay where it is and serve the neighborhood it is actually located in rather than the Key boundaries for which it is currently the neighborhood school. Not sure what you mean by suggesting it should be in south Arlington for equal opportunity purposes. Care to elaborate? And really, it’s not like the school has that much more science instruction - it doesn’t.
Anonymous
05/01/2018 19:28
Subject: Re:What do you expect from APS staff (option/neighborhood) on 4/30?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would imagine Key is having a collective heart attack right now. I do not see any realistic probability that it will remain in its current location.
Not as big as the ‘heart attack’ ASFS looked to be having (see, e.g., petition) when it looked like Key was going option without a building switch. But that’s in the past. Key was rope-a-doped, arguably.
They'll have the heart attack when the SB finally breaks it to them that the science lab won't move with them.
Is there no longer going to be a science focus school? If there is going to be one, shouldn’t it be in south Arlington for purposes of equal opportunity?
There hasn’t been a science focus school as an option since they changed the transfer policy a year ago. It is a neighborhood school right now.
Oh. I thought it was called Arlington Science Focus. In any event, I think that Science Focus should be an option school situated in south Arlington so that underprivileged groups could have easier access to it. Those in north Arlington who still want Science Focus could take a bus.
That's a nice idea, but ASFS isn't an option school and the SB has said they are not creating any new option schools as part of this process. So let's move on from this fantasy.