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Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

Before Obamacare: Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare.

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Anonymous wrote:What we have here are affluent liberals debating how much of a sacrifice the lower-middle class should be willing to make so that the poor can get free medical care.

What we have here is people saying we need have a healthcare system that helps everyone. Or, what you are saying is that middle class people should be able to afford healthcare, but lower class people shouldn't.

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So how would you make it equal for EVERYONE? Because Trump's EO will make millions of lower class people lose healthcare full stop.

How is that? They still get their subsidies on the premiums. Those are not the subsidies that were eliminated.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

? You think ACA is the law that allowed insurance execs to make millions? It really wasn't ACA that allowed this. I'm all for curbing CEO pays. You think Trump will go for that?

You want something that is good for you but bad for the less fortunate. That's the flip side of your argument. I suppose your next argument would be "why should I have to pay for someone else"? Well, we all do that when we pay taxes. Plus, I guess I could say, "Why should I buy American made products just so that an American have a job"? See how that works?

This is not nearly as hard to understand as you're making it. If someone has to tighten their belt to pay for the less fortunate, let it be the millionaire health care execs, not the hard-working folks who saved up all year for a vacation. Somehow there's enough money under Obamacare to pay exorbitant salaries but yet money is scarce when it's time to pay for the less fortunate.

Really... you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA? I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?

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Anonymous wrote:What we have here are affluent liberals debating how much of a sacrifice the lower-middle class should be willing to make so that the poor can get free medical care.

What we have here is people saying we need have a healthcare system that helps everyone. Or, what you are saying is that middle class people should be able to afford healthcare, but lower class people shouldn't.

What I'm saying is that poor people should not get BETTER health care than the middle class is able to buy for itself.

So how would you make it equal for EVERYONE? Because Trump's EO will make millions of lower class people lose healthcare full stop.

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Obamacare didn't cap the money execs were pulling in.....to the contrary, lobbyists donated big bucks to the Democrats (who passed the ACA) to make sure they weren't touched. The CEO of United Health made almost $18 million last year.

So how would you make it equal for EVERYONE? Because Trump's EO will make millions of lower class people lose healthcare full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:What we have here are affluent liberals debating how much of a sacrifice the lower-middle class should be willing to make so that the poor can get free medical care.

What we have here is people saying we need have a healthcare system that helps everyone. Or, what you are saying is that middle class people should be able to afford healthcare, but lower class people shouldn't.

What I'm saying is that poor people should not get BETTER health care than the middle class is able to buy for itself.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

? You think ACA is the law that allowed insurance execs to make millions? It really wasn't ACA that allowed this. I'm all for curbing CEO pays. You think Trump will go for that?

You want something that is good for you but bad for the less fortunate. That's the flip side of your argument. I suppose your next argument would be "why should I have to pay for someone else"? Well, we all do that when we pay taxes. Plus, I guess I could say, "Why should I buy American made products just so that an American have a job"? See how that works?

This is not nearly as hard to understand as you're making it. If someone has to tighten their belt to pay for the less fortunate, let it be the millionaire health care execs, not the hard-working folks who saved up all year for a vacation. Somehow there's enough money under Obamacare to pay exorbitant salaries but yet money is scarce when it's time to pay for the less fortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:What we have here are affluent liberals debating how much of a sacrifice the lower-middle class should be willing to make so that the poor can get free medical care.

What we have here is people saying we need have a healthcare system that helps everyone. Or, what you are saying is that middle class people should be able to afford healthcare, but lower class people shouldn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Obama wanted to do single payer but chose the Heritage Foundation plan (the same thing Romney did in Mass); so if it didn't work, you can point back to the GOP and Heritage Foundation.

Demi and Progressives have generally wanted single payer since the early 1970's.

Good luck with that. Country of 320 million and it won't scale, especially when half the country doesn't want to pay for anything.


I don't really care what democrats want. They constantly "want. They're like kids for life". They perpetually broke and constantly ask "Can we have....."

Yup. Remember that woman who asked Obama, during his campaign run, if it was true he was going to pay off her mortgage? (Or, more precisely, the taxpayers would?) Democrats run their entire campaigns on, "if you vote for me, I will give you more free stuff." The latest rendition was free college. Get real.

You are correct. Vote for Dem. for free stuff. We work 10-12 hrs a day so very poor or some by choice poor folks can get free stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:per CBO: Trump ending subsidies increases premiums:

20% by 2018
25% by 2020

Deficit goes up $6b by 2018 and $21b by 2020,

But premiums were going up at that rate anyway.

At 20% a year?? Name the plan and state, please.

Virginia. Mine went up 17% in July

Just like America’s pricey waistline.

Before Obamacare, we paid a total of 700/mo. Now that goal is 2700/mo

I paid $400 for an individual plan before Obamacare, and now pay more than $800. But that's for a plan with twice the deductible. If I wanted a plan comparable to the $400 plan, it was $1080. Almost tripled in three years!

Thank goodness you didn't get a catastrophic illness pre ACA. You would've been hosed.

Pre ACA, I couldn't get insurance. Now I can. There are two sides to this. Yes, it needs fixing. But, what Trump is proposing will hurt others. You want to go back to a system that prevented others from getting insurance; ACA is costing you a fortune. What is the answer for ALL Americans? That is what a leader is supposed to address, not just your (or my) status.

Not the PP. our plans were 2/3 cheaper and 3x better prior to Obamacare. We were screwed so you could float. F off

Well, PP, you told the previous PP who had no healthcare before the ACA. She really ought to die for depriving you of, what, some extra money that you CAN afford to pay, but just don't want to.

And, PP, did you LOSE your healthcare? Are you dying of a treatable disease because you no longer have insurance? No? Oh, and have you lost your home because you can't pay your medical bills? No?

So, PP, basically, you're pissed off you have to pay more money for health insurance that you didn't have to pay before the ACA. What did you do with that money? Take nice vacations? Buy a nicer car? Send your kids to private instead of those crummy public schools? If so, you're really, really "suffering" because of the ACA. PP OUGHT TO DIE to pay for your deprivations!!

DP. PP is arguing in favor of a plan (Obamacare) that allows health care executives to make millions every year while the lower middle class skips vacations to pay for the less fortunate.

A lot of people don't find that plan to be terribly attractive, PP.

maybe I am wrong, but my understanding was that Obamacare capped how much health care executives can made, while Trump and republicans wants to remove the cap

If you're suggesting execs don't make millions under Obamacare, please share your source.

Obamacare didn't cap the money execs were pulling in.....to the contrary, lobbyists donated big bucks to the Democrats (who passed the ACA) to make sure they weren't touched. The CEO of United Health made almost $18 million last year.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20170421/NEWS/170429946

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Anonymous wrote:Obama wanted to do single payer but chose the Heritage Foundation plan (the same thing Romney did in Mass); so if it didn't work, you can point back to the GOP and Heritage Foundation.

Demi and Progressives have generally wanted single payer since the early 1970's.

Good luck with that. Country of 320 million and it won't scale, especially when half the country doesn't want to pay for anything.


I don't really care what democrats want. They constantly "want. They're like kids for life". They perpetually broke and constantly ask "Can we have....."

Yup. Remember that woman who asked Obama, during his campaign run, if it was true he was going to pay off her mortgage? (Or, more precisely, the taxpayers would?) Democrats run their entire campaigns on, "if you vote for me, I will give you more free stuff." The latest rendition was free college. Get real.