Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 18:40     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
For all of the bitching about ACA, the Republicans STILL haven't come up with a better solution despite having nearly 8 years to work on one.

I'm sick of hearing your bitching at this point.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 17:53     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why threads on hillary's book and other crap when Rs are about to repeal ACA? Why no outrage? Im not counting more than 2 No votes. Collins & Murkowski.

McCain has been banging the drum on regular order, and the GOP Governors, many of them, but not all, are opposed. Ultimately, the GOP is going to have to decide if they want to fulfill a campaign promise or pass a bill that has less than 17% support.

Districts are so gerrymandered, that the overall public perception of things doesn't matter anymore.

And Democrats are so intent on chiding HRC for insufficient self-flagellation that they still haven't done any introspection into the reasons, besides Hillary (of course), they have lost all political power in this country. I don't know the answer, but I know they aren't providing it either.

Democrats know the reason they suck and have lost all power and credibility: racism. From everyone. All the time.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 17:07     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:Collins wants to be Gov of Maine. She isn't a firm "no" yet.


She said today that she has serious concerns about the bill and is leaning against it.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 16:00     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
I'm baffled as to why this new thing as well as the ACA didn't have major penalties. Switzerland gives 3 months to enroll and after that can garnish wages, assign an insurer, and charge back premiums. Are the penalties still in the ACA? How do people in the marketplace not know that medicare enrollment begins 3 months before turning 65 and after 7 months there are penalties and a delay in part B?

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/09/22/552506499/advocates-say-seniors-with-obamacare-need-more-time-to-switch-to-medicare

I wonder if some of these people were paying less under ACA than they would have under medicare-then saw potential premium increases. Part B has huge jumps in premium. 85k or less is $134/month. One penny over and it's 187.50- increase of $53.50/$642. At the breakpoints the premium increase is greater than the magi increase.

I wish medicare was not income based. It's not really insurance.

I think that would be unconstitutional, but I'm not sure. I know the penalty under the ACA was justified as a tax which is how you can get around constitutionality issues with having a penalty, but I doubt there is a constitutional way to force someone to buy insurance (which is what assigning an insurer and charging back-premiums amounts to). At best, I think, you can have a higher penalty that makes it financially non-sensical to not buy insurance.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:59     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:Another day, another repeal bill dying. Why do we keep doing this)


Because the Koch brothers had a hissy fit. Big donors are telling the GOP no donations for the 2018 midterms, if they don't successfully repeal.

McCain might not live until then. He has zero f#cks to give.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:52     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is McCain's full statement:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE

I would expect a number of GOP Senators will now claim there were going to vote against it now.

McCain isn't perfect, but I really admire him or this:

"As I have repeatedly stressed, health care reform legislation ought to be the product of regular order in the Senate. Committees of jurisdiction should mark up legislation with input from all committee members, and send their bill to the floor for debate and amendment. That is the only way we might achieve bipartisan consensus on lasting reform, without which a policy that affects one-fifth of our economy and every single American family will be subject to reversal with every change of administration and congressional majority."

He seems to be willing to work with the other side. He was also respectful of Obama as a person though he hardly ever agreed with him on policies. This is how it used to be - respect the person but disagree on policies. As a former R, I would've voted for him for POTUS.


This is a great statement by McCain. I have always been cynical about this guy and his "maverick" persona which I never thought he deserved. But, he is earning my respect now.


I'm baffled as to why this new thing as well as the ACA didn't have major penalties. Switzerland gives 3 months to enroll and after that can garnish wages, assign an insurer, and charge back premiums. Are the penalties still in the ACA? How do people in the marketplace not know that medicare enrollment begins 3 months before turning 65 and after 7 months there are penalties and a delay in part B?

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2017/09/22/552506499/advocates-say-seniors-with-obamacare-need-more-time-to-switch-to-medicare

I wonder if some of these people were paying less under ACA than they would have under medicare-then saw potential premium increases. Part B has huge jumps in premium. 85k or less is $134/month. One penny over and it's 187.50- increase of $53.50/$642. At the breakpoints the premium increase is greater than the magi increase.

I wish medicare was not income based. It's not really insurance.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:48     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:Collins wants to be Gov of Maine. She isn't a firm "no" yet.

But without McCain and Paul, can it pass?
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:42     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Another day, another repeal bill dying. Why do we keep doing this)
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:39     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:Collins wants to be Gov of Maine. She isn't a firm "no" yet.


She will vote No. Maine likes its ACA money, coverage rates have gone up in Maine. The state's citizens are not as ideological as in other Republican-leaning swing states.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:23     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
jsteele wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is McCain's full statement:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE

I would expect a number of GOP Senators will now claim there were going to vote against it now.

McCain isn't perfect, but I really admire him or this:

"As I have repeatedly stressed, health care reform legislation ought to be the product of regular order in the Senate. Committees of jurisdiction should mark up legislation with input from all committee members, and send their bill to the floor for debate and amendment. That is the only way we might achieve bipartisan consensus on lasting reform, without which a policy that affects one-fifth of our economy and every single American family will be subject to reversal with every change of administration and congressional majority."

He seems to be willing to work with the other side. He was also respectful of Obama as a person though he hardly ever agreed with him on policies. This is how it used to be - respect the person but disagree on policies. As a former R, I would've voted for him for POTUS.


This is a great statement by McCain. I have always been cynical about this guy and his "maverick" persona which I never thought he deserved. But, he is earning my respect now.


It gave me hope that there are Republicans out there that put country and sound policy over blind obedience to a party in turmoil.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:19     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Collins wants to be Gov of Maine. She isn't a firm "no" yet.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 15:02     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Good for McCain.

At the end of the day, this bill was bad news for Arizona. It was going to lose money that the state currently gets under the ACA. With a high number of "refugees" priced out of California and lots of immigrants, AZ has pretty unique and severe health care needs. McCain voted in the best interests of its constituents.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 14:25     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is McCain's full statement:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE

I would expect a number of GOP Senators will now claim there were going to vote against it now.

It's sad that most Rs are spineless and need someone to make the first move in order for them to speak up.


Yep, it took an 81 year old facing imminent death to show clear conviction.


Nothing like clarity when faced with your mortality. Though, I have to say, McCain usually seemed like he was willing to work with Dems.
jsteele
Post 09/22/2017 14:19     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is McCain's full statement:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE

I would expect a number of GOP Senators will now claim there were going to vote against it now.

McCain isn't perfect, but I really admire him or this:

"As I have repeatedly stressed, health care reform legislation ought to be the product of regular order in the Senate. Committees of jurisdiction should mark up legislation with input from all committee members, and send their bill to the floor for debate and amendment. That is the only way we might achieve bipartisan consensus on lasting reform, without which a policy that affects one-fifth of our economy and every single American family will be subject to reversal with every change of administration and congressional majority."

He seems to be willing to work with the other side. He was also respectful of Obama as a person though he hardly ever agreed with him on policies. This is how it used to be - respect the person but disagree on policies. As a former R, I would've voted for him for POTUS.


This is a great statement by McCain. I have always been cynical about this guy and his "maverick" persona which I never thought he deserved. But, he is earning my respect now.
Anonymous
Post 09/22/2017 14:18     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is McCain's full statement:

https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=1D7F89BB-FF93-41A5-85B8-C87E3CCCC4CE

I would expect a number of GOP Senators will now claim there were going to vote against it now.

It's sad that most Rs are spineless and need someone to make the first move in order for them to speak up.


Yep, it took an 81 year old facing imminent death to show clear conviction.