Another plead for posters to stop drawing comparisons with the book. Even if you don't think you're spoiling it in any way. Can we just talk about the show only and pretend a book doesn't even exist? I'm happy to start another thread if there is anyone else interested in talking about series without ever mentioning a book.

I have not read the book.

I have not read these two topics mentioned that I wanted to throw out there, because they have struck me as perhaps bigger issues even though they get little airtime.

1) Bonnie's complete lack of parenting Abigail and almost being the buddy instead of a bonus mom. I don't think she's as sweet as she seems. First she takes Abigail to planned parenthood without telling Nathan or Madeline. Second, last week she allowed Abigail to run off on what probably was a school, to go out with friends and probably taking alcohol with her,not asking where she's going, who she is going with and against Nathan's concerns.

2). Ed and his weird sexual attractions and statements. First he catches himself staring at Abigail in what is inferred as an unconventional stepfather/ stepdaughter way when she is outside taking pictures. Is Abigail aware of Ed's stares, had this happened before, could this have something to do with her wanting to move out and in with her father and Bonnie? Second, last week Ed goes to Bonnie's yoga studio and gawks at the women taking the yoga class, including Bonnie and makes a weird, inappropriate statement to her re how he likes to look at sweaty women?! WTF?!

Anonymous wrote:No spoilers here but I think the book zeroed in on Saxon Banks as Ziggy's father much earlier or at least more definitively than the series. And I don't recall Jane characterizing the encounter as rape. As with the other characters, David Kelley probably wrote Jane as angrier and more vengeful.

My take (didn't read the book, just seen the show) is that Jane took a long time to see this as rape and also blocked it deeply. She obviously hates the man; feels all the feelings of being raped but has a hard time processing it as we see with the flashes that come into her consciousness.

No spoilers here but I think the book zeroed in on Saxon Banks as Ziggy's father much earlier or at least more definitively than the series. And I don't recall Jane characterizing the encounter as rape. As with the other characters, David Kelley probably wrote Jane as angrier and more vengeful.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely can't stand Celeste's husband, Perry - and I felt this way before he was shown being physically violent with her. There is something so revolting about him, the way he pouts when she tells him she's doing something (like taking the kids to Frozen on Ice, or when the first day of school didn't include going in to meet the teacher). He is one controlling SOB. Even when Celeste was asking her therapist for help in telling Perry that she wanted to go back to work, I couldn't believe she didn't hear her own words. She was saying that Perry limits her friends, doesn't like her to leave the house, is very possessive, etc. etc. Classic traits of an abuser, and yet - this very intelligent woman doesn't want to acknowledge it? Is it that she actually does enjoy on some level the abuse? It honestly gives me the creeps to see those two together.

The scene where she tells him she has to meet with the client again, and he grabs her hair right before one of the kids comes in, was chilling. She just pretended nothing at all happened. What is wrong with Celeste???

I don't know which cliche to use here so I'll use both:
1. No sh*t, Sherlock!
2. Thanks, Captain Obvious

Here's another cliché for you:
If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.
Or we could just go with, bye bitch.

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely can't stand Celeste's husband, Perry - and I felt this way before he was shown being physically violent with her. There is something so revolting about him, the way he pouts when she tells him she's doing something (like taking the kids to Frozen on Ice, or when the first day of school didn't include going in to meet the teacher). He is one controlling SOB. Even when Celeste was asking her therapist for help in telling Perry that she wanted to go back to work, I couldn't believe she didn't hear her own words. She was saying that Perry limits her friends, doesn't like her to leave the house, is very possessive, etc. etc. Classic traits of an abuser, and yet - this very intelligent woman doesn't want to acknowledge it? Is it that she actually does enjoy on some level the abuse? It honestly gives me the creeps to see those two together.

The scene where she tells him she has to meet with the client again, and he grabs her hair right before one of the kids comes in, was chilling. She just pretended nothing at all happened. What is wrong with Celeste???

I don't know which cliche to use here so I'll use both:
1. No sh*t, Sherlock!
2. Thanks, Captain Obvious

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read the book but at this point I'm guessing Perry is Ziggy's father.

I don't think so. He doesn't really look like the guy that Madelyn found online. Was that in the most recent episode or in next week's preview?

If Perry is the rapist then the book/show is super lame.

I'm another non book reader that thinks the show is totally 100% going in that direction- something about the shadowy guy being really tall (because damn, Vampire Eric is tall, yum) and the specific shoes. I feel like the show is just itching to show that Perry has those shoes or something. It feels like its 100% going there.

mmmm shadowy tall vampire Eric mmmm

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read the book but at this point I'm guessing Perry is Ziggy's father.

I don't think so. He doesn't really look like the guy that Madelyn found online. Was that in the most recent episode or in next week's preview?

If Perry is the rapist then the book/show is super lame.

I'm another non book reader that thinks the show is totally 100% going in that direction- something about the shadowy guy being really tall (because damn, Vampire Eric is tall, yum) and the specific shoes. I feel like the show is just itching to show that Perry has those shoes or something. It feels like its 100% going there.

Anonymous wrote:I have not read the book but at this point I'm guessing Perry is Ziggy's father.

I don't think so. He doesn't really look like the guy that Madelyn found online. Was that in the most recent episode or in next week's preview?

If Perry is the rapist then the book/show is super lame.

Anonymous wrote:I absolutely can't stand Celeste's husband, Perry - and I felt this way before he was shown being physically violent with her. There is something so revolting about him, the way he pouts when she tells him she's doing something (like taking the kids to Frozen on Ice, or when the first day of school didn't include going in to meet the teacher). He is one controlling SOB. Even when Celeste was asking her therapist for help in telling Perry that she wanted to go back to work, I couldn't believe she didn't hear her own words. She was saying that Perry limits her friends, doesn't like her to leave the house, is very possessive, etc. etc. Classic traits of an abuser, and yet - this very intelligent woman doesn't want to acknowledge it? Is it that she actually does enjoy on some level the abuse? It honestly gives me the creeps to see those two together.

The scene where she tells him she has to meet with the client again, and he grabs her hair right before one of the kids comes in, was chilling. She just pretended nothing at all happened. What is wrong with Celeste???

duh

You've obviously never seen an abusive relationship between educated adults.

I have not read the book but at this point I'm guessing Perry is Ziggy's father.

I absolutely can't stand Celeste's husband, Perry - and I felt this way before he was shown being physically violent with her. There is something so revolting about him, the way he pouts when she tells him she's doing something (like taking the kids to Frozen on Ice, or when the first day of school didn't include going in to meet the teacher). He is one controlling SOB. Even when Celeste was asking her therapist for help in telling Perry that she wanted to go back to work, I couldn't believe she didn't hear her own words. She was saying that Perry limits her friends, doesn't like her to leave the house, is very possessive, etc. etc. Classic traits of an abuser, and yet - this very intelligent woman doesn't want to acknowledge it? Is it that she actually does enjoy on some level the abuse? It honestly gives me the creeps to see those two together.

The scene where she tells him she has to meet with the client again, and he grabs her hair right before one of the kids comes in, was chilling. She just pretended nothing at all happened. What is wrong with Celeste???

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Anonymous wrote:Have we talked about the cost of the real estate in this series?

There is no way Madeleine and Ed could afford their house. Administrative director of a community theater and a web site designer? $14.8 million? I know tv always stretches these things but this goes beyond the standard "suspension of disbelief." LOL

http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/big-little-lies-houses-cost-location.html

In the book they're more middle class. In the show it sounds like he's a big tech guy who makes millions. I don't care. I like the house porn.

+1
The houses are almost characters unto themselves. The only one I hate is Bonnie's. They haven't shown much of it, but from what I can see, it looks like a cluttered, wind chime-tinkling hippie fest. Yuck.

Anonymous wrote:Have we talked about the cost of the real estate in this series?

There is no way Madeleine and Ed could afford their house. Administrative director of a community theater and a web site designer? $14.8 million? I know tv always stretches these things but this goes beyond the standard "suspension of disbelief." LOL

http://www.vulture.com/2017/03/big-little-lies-houses-cost-location.html

I assume Ed isn't simply a "web site designer," but probably owns some sort of IT company that made millions when it sold. That area is crawling with internet zillionaires.