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Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

FYI, I am a Caucasian who knows how easily rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders. They've been spoiled rotten to the core and they believe the world should revolve around them, forever.

Or they are, you know, mentally ill.

Affluenza

Not remotely part of this thread but mass shooters (who have also been asian, black and arab) often have undiagnosed schizophrenia or other psychosis coupled with extreme isolation. It is also not "easy" for "rich, white neglected boys can become mass murders".

I am not sure why you are comparing mass shooters to police shootings.

I'm white. I am not "afraid" of losing "privileged". I want to see and welcome a reduction of generational government assistance, reduction in violent crime, a rise in intact families and quality education for ALL U.S. citizens.

That won't come from crying chicken little anytime there is an officer involved shooting. That comes from working within your own community to fix the ills that plague you and understanding that this isn't 1962. Most white americans are embarrassed by and shun the "stormfront" types. Most white americans don't care what color you are. They just want a safe, stable country - one where everyone reaches for the "american dream" once again.

But I guess that makes me a racist right?

No you are not a racist BUT you are missing the point and that is insensitive to minority problems. You are wiping the slate clean that things become totally normal for blacks once civil rights law was passed in 1964. Do you know that SC senator TIM Scott has made a passionate speech in the senate that he was discriminated as senator when he goes out with his white staff, even when he has senator badge. Its like the cops don't think he can be the senator and the badge must be something else. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-scott-capitol-racism-senate-225507

That blacks have died UNJUSTLY because of the cops is a huge issue. It makes it a crying issue that needs attention because it happens to blacks disproportionately. But this has been going on for decades BUT ONLY NOW with cameras that the issue has come to light. Imagine the torment and pain the blacks have gone through silently all these years when they have no way of proving their innocence. So they deserve an understanding for the pain and unjust killings thousands of black families have suffered from without EVEN someone to believe their side of the story. They certainly don't need lecturing on high crimes and poverty at this time. There is a time and place to raise unrelated issues. Raising these issues shows the insensitivity of whoever is raining it.

Blacks are not the only ones to die unjustly. They are just what is reported in the media in this current political climate.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a black person willing to condemn their actions. But I also question as to why ALL black people are routinely held to the standards demonstrated by our worse behaved members and the same is not applied to other races. Is every white man a pedophile? Is every socially awkward white teenager a potential school shooter? Most of the those types of crimes that make the news are overwhelmingly committed by white men, but no one goes around saying "My God those white men are savages".

My issue as a law abiding black person is that no matter what I do, or I teach my son to do, he's going to be held to standards established by the worse behaved members of our race by many. If you don't see a problem with that, you are a problem. Every individual should be judged on their own actions but many refuse to do that. That's what is causing the outrage that many are expressing.

There have been many peaceful protests with no results and no changes. What will it take to get anything changed? How long as a race are we supposed to peacefully wait for justice? As a non-black person none of you can understand the abject terror we live in when it comes to our males. You all can say over and over all you want that "You just have to comply" but it's not true. I could write a novel here on members of my family who have been mistreated by police and/or government officials for no reason other than the color of their skin. It would not even matter to many of you. You'll just pass it off as more unwarranted outrage. You'll stick your head back in the sand and tell yourself that everything that happens to us is justified by x,y,z.

Ultimately, you'll never have to walk in our shoes, so you'll never know. People like many of you will continue to say that black people should fix themselves, stop sitting around, stop blaming etc. etc. Well many of us have done that, and it still doesn't matter. My son, who is being raised in an upper middle class household with values, morals and high expectations, will be in as much danger as a black man from the worse ghetto; because to many of you and the police, the only thing that you see is his black skin.

Well said and I am totally with you and agree with what you said. But most likely many will ignore your post because you raise uncomfortable questions that needs introspection from non-blacks, especially whites. Yes there is double standard in the way every action is perceived. If a white person jumps the traffic signal, its a stupid white person BUT If a black person jumps then it is "these black people". If there is drug problem in white community then they are sick and need treatment but if black community has the same problem, they should be sent to jail so they are straightened out. If a minority does minimal work they are lazy, if a white guy does minimal work then it is work-life balance. I can keep going...

But PP, the white people are totally aware of all of this BUT they will not acknowledge any of this because it is easier to deny and continue with their privileged life. Also there is a perverse interest at play here, they are fearful of losing their privilege if they even acknowledge it. Also the other side of the coin is that for some of the financially under privileged white folks the privilege that comes as being white is the only privilege they have and they don't want to lose even that.

LMAO

Where is the next meeting to preserve white privilege? Surely there has to be some organization of effort to retain that. I want to know so that I can protest in front of the venue.

Did you not understand the post? Do you have reading comprehension issues? Read the entire post calmly and slowly without prejudice and preconceived notion. Then maybe you will get it. Also any post that you can't refute with facts and reason means you already know you have nothing to contribute. So it is better to keep quiet.

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Anonymous wrote:A white guy in New Mexico was shot dead by 2 police officers with assault rifles, even though the white guy didn't even have a gun.

Saying this never happens to white people is just another BLM lie.

BLM and other groups are fully engaged with seeing this happen less frequently to EVERYONE.

Anonymous wrote:A white guy in New Mexico was shot dead by 2 police officers with assault rifles, even though the white guy didn't even have a gun.

Saying this never happens to white people is just another BLM lie.

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Anonymous wrote:thought I would share a short and interesting article re NC gun laws and open carry from the Charlotte Observer. Open carry is legal in NC, and concealed with a permit is legal. Displaying a gun in NC is not enough on face as a stand alone fact to warrant arrest, stop and frisk or even an imminent threat. So for argument's sake, let's say he did have a gun and not a book, does that even matter, because it is questionable based on the released statement from the police officer that being threatened because the civilian has a gun doesn't met the standard. In fact, in NC, if a civilian just has an open carry, and is doing nothing else wrong, a cop doesn't have the right to say drop your weapon. I think this particular case is more complicated, I wish they would release the video.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/crime/article103252767.html

One would think you need to consider the individual situation.

Sure, but did you read the article? There is case law on this topic in NC. And the open carry law has been in effect for a long time. Just displaying a gun isn't enough. You cannot, based on even displaying a gun, stop, frisk, search, demand to drop their weapon, etc. this is why the video is super important. Was there a verbal exchange? What was said? Did he point the gun at the police officer (that would be different, that is not just displaying)? But getting in and out of your car, with a gun on your belt or in your hand, isn't enough under NC law to pose as a threat.

BS on the gun on your hand scenario.

What gun? There was NO gun according to his own family who know him best. They say he was holding only a book when a black police officer shot him due to racism. That is why people rioted and looted the NASCAR museum last night.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone does realize that the police officer is also black, right??!?

I know. That's the weird thing. The cop is black....the police chief is black....the mayor is black.....and yet, this shooting is due to racism?

It is not individual racism thats an issue here. it is systemic racism when the police force ALL over the country SOMEHOW shoots unarmed black people in so many cases. It happens in a much smaller number to whites. That is systemic and it has to be fixed. Denying it doesn't exist is like denying that mass murders are mostly committed by white men with a gun.

It doesn't happen in a smaller number to whites. What you said isn't true.

That is wrong and Do not LIE. If you post what you can't back up thats a lie. Unarmed Blacks have been killed at 5x the rate of unarmed whites by cops. Check the link below.

http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/

The Post's data does show that unarmed black men are more likely to die by the gun of a cop than an unarmed white man...but this does not tell the whole story. In August 2015, the ratio was seven-to-one of unarmed black men dying from police gunshots compared to unarmed white men; the ratio was six-to-one by the end of 2015. But Mac Donald points out in The Marshall Project that looking at the details of the actual incidents that occurred paints a different picture:

The “unarmed” label is literally accurate, but it frequently fails to convey highly-charged policing situations. In a number of cases, if the victim ended up being unarmed, it was certainly not for lack of trying. At least five black victims had reportedly tried to grab the officer’s gun, or had been beating the cop with his own equipment. Some were shot from an accidental discharge triggered by their own assault on the officer. And two individuals included in the Post’s “unarmed black victims” category were struck by stray bullets aimed at someone else in justified cop shootings. If the victims were not the intended targets, then racism could have played no role in their deaths.

In one of those unintended cases, an undercover cop from the New York Police Department was conducting a gun sting in Mount Vernon, just north of New York City. One of the gun traffickers jumped into the cop’s car, stuck a pistol to his head, grabbed $2,400 and fled. The officer gave chase and opened fire after the thief again pointed his gun at him. Two of the officer’s bullets accidentally hit a 61-year-old bystander, killing him. That older man happened to be black, but his race had nothing to do with his tragic death. In the other collateral damage case, Virginia Beach, Virginia, officers approached a car parked at a convenience store that had a homicide suspect in the passenger seat. The suspect opened fire, sending a bullet through an officer’s shirt. The cops returned fire, killing their assailant as well as a woman in the driver’s seat. That woman entered the Post’s database without qualification as an “unarmed black victim” of police fire.

Mac Donald examines a number of other instances, including unarmed black men in San Diego, CA and Prince George's County, MD attempting to reach for a gun in a police officer's holster. In the San Diego case, the unarmed black man actually "jumped the officer" and assaulted him, and the cop shot the man since he was "fearing for his life." MacDonald also notes that there was an instance in 2015 where "three officers were killed with their own guns, which the suspects had wrestled from them."