Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:53
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Now I know why madlax parents give their money to CM. It is because they are super creepy themselves.
At best, the coaches will be suspended. At worst, the whole team will be suspended. Parents should be finding out other teams tryout dates.
At best, the coaches will be suspended. At worst, the whole team will be suspended. Parents should be finding out other teams tryout dates.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:32
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL - 6th GRADERS WERE PURPORTED BY MADLAX as 5TH GRADERS - while players are allowed to play up, they are not allowed to play down.. To clarify, Hoco is a grade based league while NVYLL is an age-based league. Unlike a summer tourny, Hoco league has 5 divisions (B, A, AA, AAA, Elite) for 2025 6th graders. Madlax DMV should not be fielding a team w/ some 6th graders in a 5th grade A division - no matter how bad they think their team is. BLC did nothing wrong by protesting - the refs are given the discretion to make sure coaches and players are following Hoco rules.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
For what?
MadLax entered a team in the 2026 A division and played the season with a number of 2025 kids. They played BLC in the playoffs, won and BLC immediately filed a protest (it must be done within 15 minutes of the game). The officials asked a number of kids on MadLax what grade they were in and the kids responded by saying they were in 6th grade. MadLax had to forfeit and the score shows up as a 1-0 victory for BLC.
So the 5th graders self identified as 6th graders. Time to move on. This happens with all divisions of HOCO. Get used to it. The funny thing is that it happened in the "A" division which is really B- I but more blame on the Bethesda coach. If you knew this, you knew it long before this game, you knew it earlier in the season. Would they file a protest if they won? BLC is the shameful club here To confront a sixth grader and make him feel like he did something wrong is the real problem. THE PLAYER DID NOTHING WRONG! The coaches did. HOCO league let's kids two-three years older play on teams and knows about this. They have the birth dates. Any parent of any club knows this. If you wait until AFTER the game to address this, that coach is the problem in this story. I am not a Madlax parent and only know what I have read on these posts. It sounds like a coach called out something he knew about before the game. The refs should NOT have involved the players. File a protest later. The officials should not be asking the kids.
Bullshit. They're not stupid. They know what the rules are. They know they're cheating.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:29
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:
OK, so you have a B team that goes into a game knowing that the 5th graders and I repeat 5th graders are on the roster all season and made the B league play off game. The other team has kids they know are 6th graders but have played on the 5th grade "B" let me repeat again B team all season. NO protest is filed all season long. A game is played with all parties knowing exactly who these KIDS are. The B team loses the game. The loser coach files a protest and the young kids are "questioned" on the spot and blamed for a forfeit. Why did the other coach play the game? Why did not one other team bring this up all season long? If you are blaming the kids your are insane. If this were the 2023 or maybe even the 2024 team I would understand as at least these kids could drive themselves to the game.
I am not saying the coach and the parents are not also wrong, only that to pretend the kids did not know they were doing something wrong is stupid. They did. To say " THE PLAYER DID NOTHING WRONG!" is WRONG.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:27
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
I finally got it. You are the madlax hater and you ste keeping the thread alive by defending and blaming. Brilliant
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:26
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
All HoCo needs to do is go to an age-based system instead of "year of graduation". Don't know why they don't do that.
Because there's no fair way of setting the age birth date without having age related bias.
How come all the rec teams in NVYLL don't care about that?
What's unfair about setting August 31 as the cutoff for an age group?
Go read up on age related bias in sports. It's a tough one to solve without making someone mad.
Meh. It says some kids are more developed for their age than others. True, but that is also true if you group by graduation year (some 6th graders will be more developed than others even if they are all actually 12 and not being held back), and doing it by graduation year introduces the holdback problem. Thus, group by age is better.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 13:15
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
For what?
MadLax entered a team in the 2026 A division and played the season with a number of 2025 kids. They played BLC in the playoffs, won and BLC immediately filed a protest (it must be done within 15 minutes of the game). The officials asked a number of kids on MadLax what grade they were in and the kids responded by saying they were in 6th grade. MadLax had to forfeit and the score shows up as a 1-0 victory for BLC.
So the 5th graders self identified as 6th graders. Time to move on. This happens with all divisions of HOCO. Get used to it. The funny thing is that it happened in the "A" division which is really B- I but more blame on the Bethesda coach. If you knew this, you knew it long before this game, you knew it earlier in the season. Would they file a protest if they won? BLC is the shameful club here To confront a sixth grader and make him feel like he did something wrong is the real problem. THE PLAYER DID NOTHING WRONG! The coaches did. HOCO league let's kids two-three years older play on teams and knows about this. They have the birth dates. Any parent of any club knows this. If you wait until AFTER the game to address this, that coach is the problem in this story. I am not a Madlax parent and only know what I have read on these posts. It sounds like a coach called out something he knew about before the game. The refs should NOT have involved the players. File a protest later. The officials should not be asking the kids.
OK, so you have a B team that goes into a game knowing that the 5th graders and I repeat 5th graders are on the roster all season and made the B league play off game. The other team has kids they know are 6th graders but have played on the 5th grade "B" let me repeat again B team all season. NO protest is filed all season long. A game is played with all parties knowing exactly who these KIDS are. The B team loses the game. The loser coach files a protest and the young kids are "questioned" on the spot and blamed for a forfeit. Why did the other coach play the game? Why did not one other team bring this up all season long? If you are blaming the kids your are insane. If this were the 2023 or maybe even the 2024 team I would understand as at least these kids could drive themselves to the game.
Bullshit. They're not stupid. They know what the rules are. They know they're cheating.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:54
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
In this case, I think the 2025's played down all year and the roster was submitted fraudulently.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:45
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
At the very least mandate roster checks. Sounds like this isn't an isolated incident.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 12:32
Subject: Question for Madlax Parents
Madlax intentionally cheated. They should be punished.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:49
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
All HoCo needs to do is go to an age-based system instead of "year of graduation". Don't know why they don't do that.
Because there's no fair way of setting the age birth date without having age related bias.
How come all the rec teams in NVYLL don't care about that?
What's unfair about setting August 31 as the cutoff for an age group?
I'd like to know how many July and August babies play in nvyll
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:46
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
All HoCo needs to do is go to an age-based system instead of "year of graduation". Don't know why they don't do that.
Because there's no fair way of setting the age birth date without having age related bias.
How come all the rec teams in NVYLL don't care about that?
What's unfair about setting August 31 as the cutoff for an age group?
Go read up on age related bias in sports. It's a tough one to solve without making someone mad.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:38
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
All HoCo needs to do is go to an age-based system instead of "year of graduation". Don't know why they don't do that.
Because there's no fair way of setting the age birth date without having age related bias.
How come all the rec teams in NVYLL don't care about that?
What's unfair about setting August 31 as the cutoff for an age group?
Because college coaches want to know graduation year.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:38
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
For what?
MadLax entered a team in the 2026 A division and played the season with a number of 2025 kids. They played BLC in the playoffs, won and BLC immediately filed a protest (it must be done within 15 minutes of the game). The officials asked a number of kids on MadLax what grade they were in and the kids responded by saying they were in 6th grade. MadLax had to forfeit and the score shows up as a 1-0 victory for BLC.
So the 5th graders self identified as 6th graders. Time to move on. This happens with all divisions of HOCO. Get used to it. The funny thing is that it happened in the "A" division which is really B- I but more blame on the Bethesda coach. If you knew this, you knew it long before this game, you knew it earlier in the season. Would they file a protest if they won? BLC is the shameful club here To confront a sixth grader and make him feel like he did something wrong is the real problem. THE PLAYER DID NOTHING WRONG! The coaches did. HOCO league let's kids two-three years older play on teams and knows about this. They have the birth dates. Any parent of any club knows this. If you wait until AFTER the game to address this, that coach is the problem in this story. I am not a Madlax parent and only know what I have read on these posts. It sounds like a coach called out something he knew about before the game. The refs should NOT have involved the players. File a protest later. The officials should not be asking the kids.
Bullshit. They're not stupid. They know what the rules are. They know they're cheating.
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:36
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
All HoCo needs to do is go to an age-based system instead of "year of graduation". Don't know why they don't do that.
Because there's no fair way of setting the age birth date without having age related bias.
How come all the rec teams in NVYLL don't care about that?
What's unfair about setting August 31 as the cutoff for an age group?
Anonymous
05/24/2019 11:16
Subject: Re:Question for Madlax Parents
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yeah no way they get banned. Not that it wouldn’t be a just result, but won’t happen.
Why not? At least suspend or ban the coach of the team.
For what?
MadLax entered a team in the 2026 A division and played the season with a number of 2025 kids. They played BLC in the playoffs, won and BLC immediately filed a protest (it must be done within 15 minutes of the game). The officials asked a number of kids on MadLax what grade they were in and the kids responded by saying they were in 6th grade. MadLax had to forfeit and the score shows up as a 1-0 victory for BLC.
So the 5th graders self identified as 6th graders. Time to move on. This happens with all divisions of HOCO. Get used to it. The funny thing is that it happened in the "A" division which is really B- I but more blame on the Bethesda coach. If you knew this, you knew it long before this game, you knew it earlier in the season. Would they file a protest if they won? BLC is the shameful club here To confront a sixth grader and make him feel like he did something wrong is the real problem. THE PLAYER DID NOTHING WRONG! The coaches did. HOCO league let's kids two-three years older play on teams and knows about this. They have the birth dates. Any parent of any club knows this. If you wait until AFTER the game to address this, that coach is the problem in this story. I am not a Madlax parent and only know what I have read on these posts. It sounds like a coach called out something he knew about before the game. The refs should NOT have involved the players. File a protest later. The officials should not be asking the kids.
The pp was incorrect in the 15 rule and the ML cheater coach/parent posting above is insane. Are you really saying there shouldn't be a forfeit or a punishment? Are you really blaming the other coach for holding to the rules? If the BLC coach had called CM and said he knew the team was older, CM would have immediately coached up those families on what to do when questioned. Here is the rule from HoCo:
Any team using an ineligible player shall automatically forfeit each game in which the player participated. If a team uses a player under an assumed name, that team shall be suspended from the league. Each game played with that player and all scheduled games not played shall be forfeited to the opponents.
Protests as to the use of an ineligible player must be made within 48 hours of game time during the regular season and within one hour of post-season play. A $50 protest fee is required. The protest must be submitted in writing to the Conference Commissioner. The protest fee will be refunded if the protest is successful.