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Anonymous wrote:This article on Hillary Clinton's own brand of "feminism" is pretty interesting. I especially liked this quote:

"But for proponents of this doctrine, perhaps no irony was crueler than seeing its namesake, then Secretary of State Clinton, smiling broadly in her trademark pantsuit as she walked the red carpet from her plane in Riyadh with the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, in 2010. The moment brought to mind an incongruity no less extreme than if Frederick Douglass had been appointed ambassador to the Confederacy and found himself sipping tea and making small talk with Nathan Bedford Forrest. For, in Saudi Arabia, the subordination of women is as peculiar and pernicious an institution as was slavery in the antebellum South."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-record-saudi-arabia-116160

What's your point with this? That she shouldn't have visited Saudi Arabia as sec of state because she's a woman? Uh, no. That's not a winning argument. Grow up.

My point is that she has had the opportunity to advocate for the rights of some of the most oppressed women in the world and she has not done so.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This article on Hillary Clinton's own brand of "feminism" is pretty interesting. I especially liked this quote:

"But for proponents of this doctrine, perhaps no irony was crueler than seeing its namesake, then Secretary of State Clinton, smiling broadly in her trademark pantsuit as she walked the red carpet from her plane in Riyadh with the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, in 2010. The moment brought to mind an incongruity no less extreme than if Frederick Douglass had been appointed ambassador to the Confederacy and found himself sipping tea and making small talk with Nathan Bedford Forrest. For, in Saudi Arabia, the subordination of women is as peculiar and pernicious an institution as was slavery in the antebellum South."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-record-saudi-arabia-116160

What's your point with this? That she shouldn't have visited Saudi Arabia as sec of state because she's a woman? Uh, no. That's not a winning argument. Grow up.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, yeah, PP.

Show us the legislation Bernie introduced that demonstrates his feminism. Show us where he has prioritized reproductive rights, reproductive health, or equal pay. Show us the stats on his own staff, particularly how much he paid women on his Senate staff.

Anonymous wrote:This article on Hillary Clinton's own brand of "feminism" is pretty interesting. I especially liked this quote:

"But for proponents of this doctrine, perhaps no irony was crueler than seeing its namesake, then Secretary of State Clinton, smiling broadly in her trademark pantsuit as she walked the red carpet from her plane in Riyadh with the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, in 2010. The moment brought to mind an incongruity no less extreme than if Frederick Douglass had been appointed ambassador to the Confederacy and found himself sipping tea and making small talk with Nathan Bedford Forrest. For, in Saudi Arabia, the subordination of women is as peculiar and pernicious an institution as was slavery in the antebellum South."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-record-saudi-arabia-116160

Anonymous wrote:This article on Hillary Clinton's own brand of "feminism" is pretty interesting. I especially liked this quote:

"But for proponents of this doctrine, perhaps no irony was crueler than seeing its namesake, then Secretary of State Clinton, smiling broadly in her trademark pantsuit as she walked the red carpet from her plane in Riyadh with the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, in 2010. The moment brought to mind an incongruity no less extreme than if Frederick Douglass had been appointed ambassador to the Confederacy and found himself sipping tea and making small talk with Nathan Bedford Forrest. For, in Saudi Arabia, the subordination of women is as peculiar and pernicious an institution as was slavery in the antebellum South."

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/hillary-clinton-womens-rights-record-saudi-arabia-116160

Anonymous wrote:Doesn't Sanders have an all-male senior staff?

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Anonymous wrote:AFAIK, you have not identified one single thing Sanders has ever done for women. Can you show me where you have?

So I've now gotten so frustrated with your endless string of unsupported and factually inaccurate claims that I'm doing your research for you ...

You might have struggled to find evidence of what Sanders has done for women because you were unable to crib facts off his website. It offers only an aspirational list of what he'd hope to accomplish for women as President. https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-womens-rights/ While I love a nice list of goals, talk is cheap. I did find buried in his list of aspirational goals one accomplishment: "Sen. Sanders helped lead the effort in the Senate against Republican attempts to cut the WIC program that provides nutrition assistance to pregnant mothers, women, and infants." Is this referring to when the Republicans shut down the government, and there was some emergency bill to get WIC aid? I'm not sure. I don't recall Sanders being out in front on that, but perhaps he was involved. l least it's something. I'll score that as one accomplishment by Bernie for women.

I next checked feelthebern.org, which appears to have a more robust list. http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-womens-rights/ According to that website, Bernie did the following ...

1. He co-sponsored (along with 142 other people) the Freedom of Choice Act in 1993. Unfortunately, it did not pass in 1993, and it hasn't passed in any of the other times it was proposed by Democrats.

2. He wrote an op-ed in 2012 where he said women should retain the right to choose.

3. Bernie voted with the Democrats and against the Republicans on several other pieces of legislation relating to abortion. He also voted for contraception language. As a result, he as a 100% ranking from NARAL. That's the same NARAL that endorsed Hillary Clinton, and which also gave her a 100% rating.

4. More recently, Bernie co-sponsored (along with 34 other Democratic Senators) the Women’s Health Protection Act, which aims to lift abortion restrictions. It appears that bill hasn't gone anywhere in 2 years, and 70% of the Democrats in the Senate are also co-sponsors. But every little bit helps. Yay Bernie!

5. Bernie is a big proponent of pay equity for women. "Bernie has been a vocal supporter of the Paycheck Fairness Act and the Lilly Ledbetter Act." Just to complete the record, Hillary Clinton was the primary sponsor of the Paycheck Fairness Act, and Lilly Ledbetter has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

6. Bernie voted for the Violence Against Women Act in 1994. Well, we assume he did, because it passed the House on a voice vote, so no actual votes were recorded. Bernie also co-sponsored the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013, along with all 52 Democrats and 7 Republicans in the Senate, so needless to say, it passed.

All in all, Bernie's record on women's issues is nothing to be ashamed of. He's got some positive items on here. But IMHO, he's not done much to push for women's rights, and has rather simply voted with the Democrats on most of these issues.

These are the items touted on pro-Bernie websites, so I assume these are the most positive ones out there. I did not spend time digging into other things he's voted against, to see if there are uncomfortable votes he should answer for (like his votes against gun safety).

I have been pretty obsessive about answering posts on this thread but I am not that obsessive. I couldn't spend the time over the weekend. I posted links but I did not post a lot of details. I am sorry you were frustrated by that. If you read the thread there are links everywhere. One is his ontheissues.org record, I believe. This thread has been a pretty big time killer for me.

I doubt anyone is interested but this is the author of the article in my original post. Just happened upon it by accident: https://www.facebook.com/PeopleForBernie/videos/1776054905948049/

Anonymous wrote:AFAIK, you have not identified one single thing Sanders has ever done for women. Can you show me where you have?

So I've now gotten so frustrated with your endless string of unsupported and factually inaccurate claims that I'm doing your research for you ...

You might have struggled to find evidence of what Sanders has done for women because you were unable to crib facts off his website. It offers only an aspirational list of what he'd hope to accomplish for women as President. https://berniesanders.com/issues/fighting-for-womens-rights/ While I love a nice list of goals, talk is cheap. I did find buried in his list of aspirational goals one accomplishment: "Sen. Sanders helped lead the effort in the Senate against Republican attempts to cut the WIC program that provides nutrition assistance to pregnant mothers, women, and infants." Is this referring to when the Republicans shut down the government, and there was some emergency bill to get WIC aid? I'm not sure. I don't recall Sanders being out in front on that, but perhaps he was involved. l least it's something. I'll score that as one accomplishment by Bernie for women.

I next checked feelthebern.org, which appears to have a more robust list. http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-womens-rights/ According to that website, Bernie did the following ...

1. He co-sponsored (along with 142 other people) the Freedom of Choice Act in 1993. Unfortunately, it did not pass in 1993, and it hasn't passed in any of the other times it was proposed by Democrats.

2. He wrote an op-ed in 2012 where he said women should retain the right to choose.

3. Bernie voted with the Democrats and against the Republicans on several other pieces of legislation relating to abortion. He also voted for contraception language. As a result, he as a 100% ranking from NARAL. That's the same NARAL that endorsed Hillary Clinton, and which also gave her a 100% rating.

4. More recently, Bernie co-sponsored (along with 34 other Democratic Senators) the Women’s Health Protection Act, which aims to lift abortion restrictions. It appears that bill hasn't gone anywhere in 2 years, and 70% of the Democrats in the Senate are also co-sponsors. But every little bit helps. Yay Bernie!

5. Bernie is a big proponent of pay equity for women. "Bernie has been a vocal supporter of the Paycheck Fairness Act and the Lilly Ledbetter Act." Just to complete the record, Hillary Clinton was the primary sponsor of the Paycheck Fairness Act, and Lilly Ledbetter has endorsed Hillary Clinton.

6. Bernie voted for the Violence Against Women Act in 1994. Well, we assume he did, because it passed the House on a voice vote, so no actual votes were recorded. Bernie also co-sponsored the Violence Against Women Reauthorization Act of 2013, along with all 52 Democrats and 7 Republicans in the Senate, so needless to say, it passed.

All in all, Bernie's record on women's issues is nothing to be ashamed of. He's got some positive items on here. But IMHO, he's not done much to push for women's rights, and has rather simply voted with the Democrats on most of these issues.

These are the items touted on pro-Bernie websites, so I assume these are the most positive ones out there. I did not spend time digging into other things he's voted against, to see if there are uncomfortable votes he should answer for (like his votes against gun safety).