Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 16:55     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
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Anonymous wrote:Hillary is weak tea. She looks strong because the republicans are an ineffectual political and ideological disaster. But if you really want defibrillating leadership, go with someone who has stood his ground for 30 plus years.


You're right that he has stood his ground. He's been giving the same stump speech for decades; he just adjusts the numbers every so often. But what has he accomplished in that time?


Let's use the content of your post and rephrase it, shall me?

Bernie has been giving the same stump speeches for decades, because the problems keep getting worse, not better. Bigger gaps between rich and poor; banks and speculation toying with our economy; health care, education, cronyism, "free" trade, wages dropping, parental leave, child care, collective bargaining, climate change, money in politics, etc.... Why hasn't it gotten better? Why don't our political parties--even ONE of them--do what we all know needs to be done? Why now, when the GOP is gasping its last breaths, don't mainstream Democrats do what their constituents really WANT them to do? Why put up such a goddamn fight and instead unite around policies that just make sense?

Can't help but notice that you didn't answer the question about accomplishments.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 16:44     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote: Why put up such a goddamn fight and instead unite around policies that just make sense?

I'm a left-leaning moderate, and I don't think his policies make good sense. I applaud his moral sentiment to "look out for the little guy," but I don't think he could effectively manage the country, and I believe his policies (if he actually gets any of them passed) would be an economic disaster for the United States.

If Senator Sanders cannot convince any other Senators to support him, if he cannot convince a single one of the politicians from his own state to endorse him, how will he get anything done as President? He would be just a big a disaster at President as Donald Trump.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 16:15     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Hillary is weak tea. She looks strong because the republicans are an ineffectual political and ideological disaster. But if you really want defibrillating leadership, go with someone who has stood his ground for 30 plus years.


You're right that he has stood his ground. He's been giving the same stump speech for decades; he just adjusts the numbers every so often. But what has he accomplished in that time?


Let's use the content of your post and rephrase it, shall me?

Bernie has been giving the same stump speeches for decades, because the problems keep getting worse, not better. Bigger gaps between rich and poor; banks and speculation toying with our economy; health care, education, cronyism, "free" trade, wages dropping, parental leave, child care, collective bargaining, climate change, money in politics, etc.... Why hasn't it gotten better? Why don't our political parties--even ONE of them--do what we all know needs to be done? Why now, when the GOP is gasping its last breaths, don't mainstream Democrats do what their constituents really WANT them to do? Why put up such a goddamn fight and instead unite around policies that just make sense?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 15:28     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:Hillary is weak tea. She looks strong because the republicans are an ineffectual political and ideological disaster. But if you really want defibrillating leadership, go with someone who has stood his ground for 30 plus years.


You're right that he has stood his ground. He's been giving the same stump speech for decades; he just adjusts the numbers every so often. But what has he accomplished in that time?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 12:51     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Hillary is weak tea. She looks strong because the republicans are an ineffectual political and ideological disaster. But if you really want defibrillating leadership, go with someone who has stood his ground for 30 plus years.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 12:47     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
I have no idea if Bernie van get sh!t done. But I do know it can get done. It's possible, if there's enough political will. It has to start with the electorate, and move through the sh!theads we elect (best not to elect sh!theads). The GOP is weak. Do. It. Now. Or let the Dems be the unchallenged party of wishy washy liberalism.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:58     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
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He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone


LOL! How altruistic of the Clintons. And, please tell me, how much money have they raised for themselves on the backs of the middle class. Wonder what the total of their speaking fees at colleges and charitable organizations has been?


You sound smart.


^^ Your attempt at scarcasm makes you look like just another one of those closed minded liberals - you are open to ALL views just as long as they compliment yours.

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Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:25     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:If America votes in Bernie, he's going to need massive public support to move and shake. I don't doubt him when he says the biggest thing standing between the vision and the enactment is a massive swelling "revolution" among the people. Corny? Maybe. But I think that's what it's going to take.

I hope we have it in us to do it.

Then he probably ought to do something to help down-ballot candidates, don't you think? He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone. He's done absolutely nothing.


Maybe they should start doing something to help themselves. Starting with learning from the fact that their approval rating is abysmally low, it's in the teens. And the reason for that is their lack of credibility. None of us and no President can help them when they keep insisting on pandering to corporate and special interests in search of the almighty campaign fund dollar. They need to start growing a spine, becoming more authentic and getting some goddamn integrity.

So in other words, you don't think he should do anything. Even though he wants to be the head of the Democratic Party, you think he doesn't need to do a thing to help down-ballot candidates. Come the revolution, Congress will magically turn over without any effort!
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:23     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
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Anonymous wrote:I'm still prepared to vote for someone whose policies make the most sense to the most people. I'm very disappointed that other big American political entities aren't ready to take that leap, too.


So you think Bernie's policies make the most sense to the most people? Pretty sure that remains to be seen.


I know, right? You'd think 25 years in the Senate would give the dude a long list of accomplishments. Pathetically, his supporters don't even know this.


Exactly this. He's got nothing to show for that time other than fiery speeches.


How's he going to deal with Putin and other world leaders? Yell at them and wave his arms?


What's Trump going to do? Call Putin a loser and try to fire him?

What's Cruz going to do? Start a war?

Really? Seriously?

I have no idea what they'd do but I can tell you Cruz is very unlikely to be elected. Even the most Bernie-enamoured journalists, with a couple of exceptions, concede they can't see him acting on the world stage. Is one of those classic messianic, single photo disguis is one of those classic messianic types Who make a lot of noise but are very ineffective at actually accomplishing anything. I'm sure you disagree, so why don't you share with us his great triumphs from 25 years in Congress?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:20     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone


LOL! How altruistic of the Clintons. And, please tell me, how much money have they raised for themselves on the backs of the middle class. Wonder what the total of their speaking fees at colleges and charitable organizations has been?


You sound smart.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 11:19     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm still prepared to vote for someone whose policies make the most sense to the most people. I'm very disappointed that other big American political entities aren't ready to take that leap, too.


So you think Bernie's policies make the most sense to the most people? Pretty sure that remains to be seen.


I know, right? You'd think 25 years in the Senate would give the dude a long list of accomplishments. Pathetically, his supporters don't even know this.


Exactly this. He's got nothing to show for that time other than fiery speeches.


How's he going to deal with Putin and other world leaders? Yell at them and wave his arms?


What's Trump going to do? Call Putin a loser and try to fire him?

What's Cruz going to do? Start a war?

Really? Seriously?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 10:21     Subject: Re:Let's talk about the debate
He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone


LOL! How altruistic of the Clintons. And, please tell me, how much money have they raised for themselves on the backs of the middle class. Wonder what the total of their speaking fees at colleges and charitable organizations has been?
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 09:08     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If America votes in Bernie, he's going to need massive public support to move and shake. I don't doubt him when he says the biggest thing standing between the vision and the enactment is a massive swelling "revolution" among the people. Corny? Maybe. But I think that's what it's going to take.

I hope we have it in us to do it.

Then he probably ought to do something to help down-ballot candidates, don't you think? He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone. He's done absolutely nothing.


Maybe they should start doing something to help themselves. Starting with learning from the fact that their approval rating is abysmally low, it's in the teens. And the reason for that is their lack of credibility. None of us and no President can help them when they keep insisting on pandering to corporate and special interests in search of the almighty campaign fund dollar. They need to start growing a spine, becoming more authentic and getting some goddamn integrity.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 07:32     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:If America votes in Bernie, he's going to need massive public support to move and shake. I don't doubt him when he says the biggest thing standing between the vision and the enactment is a massive swelling "revolution" among the people. Corny? Maybe. But I think that's what it's going to take.

I hope we have it in us to do it.

Then he probably ought to do something to help down-ballot candidates, don't you think? He hasn't raised a penny for anyone other than himself. Clinton has raised millions for state parties and the Democratic Party as a whole - $18 million in the fourth quarter alone. He's done absolutely nothing.
Anonymous
Post 01/21/2016 07:11     Subject: Let's talk about the debate
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm still prepared to vote for someone whose policies make the most sense to the most people. I'm very disappointed that other big American political entities aren't ready to take that leap, too.


So you think Bernie's policies make the most sense to the most people? Pretty sure that remains to be seen.


I know, right? You'd think 25 years in the Senate would give the dude a long list of accomplishments. Pathetically, his supporters don't even know this.


Exactly this. He's got nothing to show for that time other than fiery speeches.


How's he going to deal with Putin and other world leaders? Yell at them and wave his arms?