Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 21:35     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:Even with your cherry picked numbers which don't match anyone else's, Watkins only beats Janney by 4 points. For the actual numbers, Watkins loses to Janney by 60.

Same poster here. Can someone please explain to me why people in upper Northwest are squabbling about less than 10% differences?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 21:20     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What math curriculum does Janney use?


Apparently Enron math if the parents think white students scoring in 60s is good, or as most Janney boosters say "best and only option in the city"....Ha! Watkins killed them!




Really? Janney boosters now? You are a sad human being, PP.

Nope. That title is reserved for the Janney parent on the other thread trash talking the fact that someone referred to Eaton, Hearst, Mann and Stoddert as fantastic schools. Some Janney parents are so cruel and continue to say Janney is the end all be all. It's quite humbling for them to be shown so low. If memory serves me correctly, they were middle to low in same drill down with DC CAS.


Lady, you do realize you are just as bad now as that Janney parent?

Not a lady. Let me guess you're one of those Janney boosters that insist Janney is the only school in DC worth going to. You should call your realtor, might be able to get something IB for Eaton.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 21:20     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Even with your cherry picked numbers which don't match anyone else's, Watkins only beats Janney by 4 points. For the actual numbers, Watkins loses to Janney by 60.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 21:13     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What math curriculum does Janney use?


Apparently Enron math if the parents think white students scoring in 60s is good, or as most Janney boosters say "best and only option in the city"....Ha! Watkins killed them!




Really? Janney boosters now? You are a sad human being, PP.

Nope. That title is reserved for the Janney parent on the other thread trash talking the fact that someone referred to Eaton, Hearst, Mann and Stoddert as fantastic schools. Some Janney parents are so cruel and continue to say Janney is the end all be all. It's quite humbling for them to be shown so low. If memory serves me correctly, they were middle to low in same drill down with DC CAS.


Lady, you do realize you are just as bad now as that Janney parent?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 20:59     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:What baffles me are the parents that are simultaneously appalled by the idea of "teaching to the test" and fixated on test scores. How do you reconcile that?

This is the first year of a new test, all I have been reading about for months if not more than a year is how it will not be a good measure of student progress this year and now there is a crowd on here using the results to either applaud or vilify particular schools.

There are many schools doing many good things in dcps. There are many more that need serious work. Debating the relative quality of Mann or Stoddert or Ross or Janney based on small differences in test scores is getting old.


Why do you assume they are the same people?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 20:20     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What math curriculum does Janney use?


Apparently Enron math if the parents think white students scoring in 60s is good, or as most Janney boosters say "best and only option in the city"....Ha! Watkins killed them!

Maury parent with absolutely no dog in this fight, you're wrong.


Maybe you didn't see this:

Oyster Adams Bilingual School 84.65%
Eaton ES 82.80%
Stoddert ES 82.15%
Watkins ES Capitol Hill Cluster 80.80%
Washington Yu Ying PCS 79.75%
Maury ES 79.15%
Lafayette ES 78.70%
Two Rivers PCS 78.55%
Murch ES 77.05%
Mann ES 76.75%
Janney ES 76.00%
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 20:18     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What stands out to me is that Janney is not all it's cracked up to be. Sure, it has the highest overall scores, but that is because they have zero minority or low income students testing. If you drill down to white only performance, Janney has 69% on math, a whole 13-15 points below Eaton, Oyster, Stoddert, Yu Ying, even 9-11 points below Watkins and Hearst. In fact, they rank 14 out of 16th of elementary schools with White student performance in math and 6th out of 16th in ELA.


You don't need to drill down, look at Math/All:

Ross 74.5
Lafayette 72.9
Stoddert 72.4
Murch 68.8
Eaton 67.3
Janney 66.9
Key 65.1
Mann 60.8

(Two of the KIPP schools are in this range too, but they don't have 5th grade.)


I haven't seen the grade breakdown, but I assume the weak performance at Mann and Key is related to losing half of their students, mostly strong ones, to private.


And Janney?
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:44     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:My primary reaction to these scores is concern - and dismay. DC/DCPS really needs to figure out how to help all the students in DCPS. There are so many schools with scores below 10%, the MS in Ward and have 1-2% of the students tested proficient at grade level in reading and math and I think none or almost none are advanced. That means less that less then 10 students in grades 6-8 enrolled in DCPS in Ward 8 tested as on grade level. We as a city are failing to educate these kids. The difference between white and black, white and Hispanic, the haves and the have nots in D.C. is staggering. I know this has been a focus of DCPS for some time but whatever they are doing is not working. I know this is nothing new (unfortunately) but it just makes me so mad and also sad. I know people who work in these schools who try so hard and are so frustrated and discouraged by these scores. I really want to know if there are urban school systems that managed to turn around a significant number of struggling schools. It just feels impossible yet we as community need all of our children to be educated.

I just think the schools that are really struggling should be of more concern.


Agreed, all this tells us what we already know. So how does the new DCPS curriculum and cornerstones provide equity by providing them with a curriculum (not that DCPS has one yet!!!) when what we really need are better remedial programs to support children at the bottom, bump up children in the middle, and maintain or provide enhancement for those at the top. The constant churning of personnel (teachers, principals, and support staff) does nothing at many EOTP schools does nothing to help this situation.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:43     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Only because Deal's algebra scores were horrendous. Hardy's were merely bad.

Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:34     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Something else interesting is to see the % of white kids increase. From 4% of 4th graders 10 years ago to 12% now.

No other group has shown such an increase.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/kevin.lang#!/vizhome/DemographicsofTestTakers/Demographics


Thanks for pointing that out. That is interesting and several things can be broadly extrapolated such as more high SES families sticking it out in DCPS than ever before. And also the rise of charter middle school options (Latin and Basis) give more high SES (most of them are white) confidence that their kid has a real "pathway to middle school"--if we got rid of Basis and Latin I think we see that 4 grade white percentage drop back down to 4% very very quickly.


And yet Hardy, the IBschool for some of those BASIS and Latin kids, outscored Deal in algebra. Many of them have a pathway to middle school right under their noses
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:31     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
I wish we lived in the kind of world where everyone who was appalled by the scores would support more integration of the student bodies.

My child goes to shining stars, who doesn't have enough students to rank, so I have no dog in this fight.

However. Sadly, these scores will do nothing but reinforce to many of you that poor children of color are not kids who belong in classrooms with your kids.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:18     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
My primary reaction to these scores is concern - and dismay. DC/DCPS really needs to figure out how to help all the students in DCPS. There are so many schools with scores below 10%, the MS in Ward and have 1-2% of the students tested proficient at grade level in reading and math and I think none or almost none are advanced. That means less that less then 10 students in grades 6-8 enrolled in DCPS in Ward 8 tested as on grade level. We as a city are failing to educate these kids. The difference between white and black, white and Hispanic, the haves and the have nots in D.C. is staggering. I know this has been a focus of DCPS for some time but whatever they are doing is not working. I know this is nothing new (unfortunately) but it just makes me so mad and also sad. I know people who work in these schools who try so hard and are so frustrated and discouraged by these scores. I really want to know if there are urban school systems that managed to turn around a significant number of struggling schools. It just feels impossible yet we as community need all of our children to be educated.

I just think the schools that are really struggling should be of more concern.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 19:05     Subject: Re:PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What stands out to me is that Janney is not all it's cracked up to be. Sure, it has the highest overall scores, but that is because they have zero minority or low income students testing. If you drill down to white only performance, Janney has 69% on math, a whole 13-15 points below Eaton, Oyster, Stoddert, Yu Ying, even 9-11 points below Watkins and Hearst. In fact, they rank 14 out of 16th of elementary schools with White student performance in math and 6th out of 16th in ELA.


You don't need to drill down, look at Math/All:

Ross 74.5
Lafayette 72.9
Stoddert 72.4
Murch 68.8
Eaton 67.3
Janney 66.9
Key 65.1
Mann 60.8

(Two of the KIPP schools are in this range too, but they don't have 5th grade.)


I haven't seen the grade breakdown, but I assume the weak performance at Mann and Key is related to losing half of their students, mostly strong ones, to private.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 18:56     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What math curriculum does Janney use?


Apparently Enron math if the parents think white students scoring in 60s is good, or as most Janney boosters say "best and only option in the city"....Ha! Watkins killed them!

Maury parent with absolutely no dog in this fight, you're wrong.
Anonymous
Post 12/01/2015 18:19     Subject: PARCC Scores for Grades 3-8
What baffles me are the parents that are simultaneously appalled by the idea of "teaching to the test" and fixated on test scores. How do you reconcile that?

This is the first year of a new test, all I have been reading about for months if not more than a year is how it will not be a good measure of student progress this year and now there is a crowd on here using the results to either applaud or vilify particular schools.

There are many schools doing many good things in dcps. There are many more that need serious work. Debating the relative quality of Mann or Stoddert or Ross or Janney based on small differences in test scores is getting old.