Anonymous
12/13/2015 19:33
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.
Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.
I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?
Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?
If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.
See, that's my point. I haven't been arguing with anyone. Just reading this thread and some of the other thread I. This forum I. some off time (no child at any of the schools at issue, so no dog in this fight) but am really struck by the "All AAP parent/kids . . . Insert nasty/ bitter/ snarky remark . . . And I hate them" remarks that seem come out of nowhere and turn every productive conversation nasty. There was one poster on a different thread talking about how s/he keeps track of AAP kids in high school so s/he can celebrate their failures, FFS. I get hating the program. I don't at all get hating (and attacking) every one of the thousands of kids in the program.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 19:31
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.
New poster, but huh? This is an eternal feud that passes from thread to thread, yes, like a virus. It infects every conversation eventually. It always begins with someone criticizing AAP or those in the program. The most innocent question will garner a mean spirited, biased response that triggers a counter reaction and there goes the thread. You did it just now with your "in case you want to try being an adult next time" remark. Why was that necessary?
Anonymous
12/13/2015 18:19
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.
Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.
I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?
Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?
If either you or the people you're arguing with so virulently either (1) stayed on topic or (2) learned how to turn the other cheek, these threads wouldn't get so long and personal. Just a thought in case you want to try being an adult next time.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 18:13
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.
Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.
I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?
Somewhere along the line you (or someone or some people in the AAP forum) moved from criticizing the school system and the AAP program to attacking the parents to personal attacks on elementry school kids. Does the fact you pay taxes make my 9 year old fair game? Because she's one of thousands of kids who's just going where Karen Garza and the school board send her. Does it give you license to personally attack me? I'm one of thousands of parents sending a child to her assigned base school-- which is also a Center. So no extra choice that you don't have, and no additional busing costs. And I certainly didn't design or implement AAP. And I didn't do your child's GBRS, or sit on the committee that rejected her AAP application. So why am I "evil", "selfish", " entitled", "arrogant", "nauseating"? Why is my child?
Anonymous
12/13/2015 17:08
Subject: Re:Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:One doesn't have to be pro or against or ho hum about AAP regarding the proposed transfer of Cooper AAP students from Longfellow and Kilmer to Cooper. One can just be in favor of reducing student populations in schools that are over subcribed and increasing populations in schools where is is quite a bit of room.
Indeed. Some of the AAP boosters try to conflate that with unyielding opposition to AAP or assume that those of us who just want to see the enrollments balanced dislike everything about the program.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 16:13
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Did anyone has any ideas how Cooper is going to find enough qualified teachers to teach the in coming AAP kids once it has become a center? How about those AAP teachers from Longfellow and Kilmer who no longer are needed once the AAP kids go to Cooper? quote]
^^^Very good point and a question that was asked earlier on in this thread-of course, hard to get past all of the snark to address the substantive and practical issues!!!
Four teachers for AAP is difficult?
Who are those extra AAP teachers from Longfellow and Kilmer going to teach when the Cooper kids are gone?
Anonymous
12/13/2015 16:12
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.
Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.
I'm not the PP, but I'm having a very hard time not calling you an idiot. Oh - guess I just did. At any rate, you seem unable to comprehend just how many people are chiming in with their opinion on this subject. There is not one specific poster who disagrees with you. There are many. As has been pointed out, FCPS is a PUBLIC school system, and as such, any and all programs are fair game for criticism. We all pay taxes, thus we all have a say in how this school system is run. You clearly want everything to go your way and only your way; might I suggest private school?
Anonymous
12/13/2015 16:08
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
APPLAUSE. +100
Anonymous
12/13/2015 16:07
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads[/quote]
Because DCUM provides a really valuable service-- helping GE parents process the 5 stages of grief that accompany being told your child just isn't that bright: denial ("there is no difference between AAP and GE"), anger ("I steer clear of the AAP parents and kids because of the constant aura of superiority that surrounds them), bargaining ("why call it AAP or GE at all? Just offer the best curriculum possible to all kids and call it a day"), depression ("FCPS does not really care about kids") and acceptance. Once their kids are in middle school, most parents have either accepted mediocrity and moved on to the Tweens and Teens board. But for the truly hardcore, they can start the process anew when the TJ a rejection comes in. [/quote]
And in a nutshell, you've just described beautifully why AAP parents are so insufferable. Thanks![/quote]
#SorryNotSorry. You came to an AAP discussion board. And purposefully make it impossible for parents who want to have a substantive discussion about gifted education to do so by interrupting Every. Single. Conversation. with the exact same anti-AAP screed. It's like trying to eat dinner with a particularly self centered toddler. No matter what the question or issue, everyone has to stop and pay attention to your AAP is evil and AAP kids a brats rant. And since there is no DCUM equivalent of hiring a babysitter so the adults can have a nice dinner with a glass of wine and intelligent conversation, expect to be called on it. PS-- Life is unfair, mostly in Syria, but I'm sure FCPS comes in a close 2nd. But even under these (admittedly) hostile and intolerable circumstances, what do you expect when you direct your name calling and nastiness towards a bunch of elementary school aged kids? [/quote]
You're addressing your own personal temper tantrum to many posters, but perhaps you actually think only one person feels that way. No matter; it's clear you are just as nasty as those you're attempting to call out. Pot, meet kettle.
Because DCUM provides a really valuable service-- helping GE parents process the 5 stages of grief that accompany being told your child just isn't that bright: denial ("there is no difference between AAP and GE"), anger ("I steer clear of the AAP parents and kids because of the constant aura of superiority that surrounds them), bargaining ("why call it AAP or GE at all? Just offer the best curriculum possible to all kids and call it a day"), depression ("FCPS does not really care about kids") and acceptance. Once their kids are in middle school, most parents have either accepted mediocrity and moved on to the Tweens and Teens board. But for the truly hardcore, they can start the process anew when the TJ a rejection comes in. [/quote]
And in a nutshell, you've just described beautifully why AAP parents are so insufferable. Thanks![/quote]
#SorryNotSorry. You came to an AAP discussion board. And purposefully make it impossible for parents who want to have a substantive discussion about gifted education to do so by interrupting Every. Single. Conversation. with the exact same anti-AAP screed. It's like trying to eat dinner with a particularly self centered toddler. No matter what the question or issue, everyone has to stop and pay attention to your AAP is evil and AAP kids a brats rant. And since there is no DCUM equivalent of hiring a babysitter so the adults can have a nice dinner with a glass of wine and intelligent conversation, expect to be called on it. PS-- Life is unfair, mostly in Syria, but I'm sure FCPS comes in a close 2nd. But even under these (admittedly) hostile and intolerable circumstances, what do you expect when you direct your name calling and nastiness towards a bunch of elementary school aged kids? [/quote]
You're addressing your own personal temper tantrum to many posters, but perhaps you actually think only one person feels that way. No matter; it's clear you are just as nasty as those you're attempting to call out. Pot, meet kettle.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 16:02
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:^^^agreed. Really hard to exchange info or ideas on a topic with all of the AAP hater sniping!!
I agree that we see a level of snark on this board that we wouldn't see if people had to identify themselves. However, I don't see the varying opinions as toddler, temper tantrums. If you want a message board where everyone will agree that centers are great and we should do all we can to encourage and grow AAP, then you should join the FCAG yahoo group. I hope this board always permits varied opinions.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 15:57
Subject: Re:Cooper Middle School New AAP center
One doesn't have to be pro or against or ho hum about AAP regarding the proposed transfer of Cooper AAP students from Longfellow and Kilmer to Cooper. One can just be in favor of reducing student populations in schools that are over subcribed and increasing populations in schools where is is quite a bit of room.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 15:45
Subject: Re:Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:but again, PP might as well be arguing with the wind. there are multiple posters who don't like AAP, not the one that PP feels he/she is arguing with.
And there are multiple posters tired of the toddler tantruming.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 15:15
Subject: Re:Cooper Middle School New AAP center
but again, PP might as well be arguing with the wind. there are multiple posters who don't like AAP, not the one that PP feels he/she is arguing with.
Anonymous
12/13/2015 14:29
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
^^^agreed. Really hard to exchange info or ideas on a topic with all of the AAP hater sniping!!
Anonymous
12/13/2015 13:02
Subject: Cooper Middle School New AAP center
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why parents with no AAP children spend their time on the AAP threads
Many parents here, like me, have have kids in both AAP and Gen Ed. We see the disparity and we how the program has been diluted over the years and with so many AAP students in a lot of districts, we're also confused with why we are still busing kids out of their neighborhoods.
That still doesn't answer the question. How will bugging this board, for years apparently, do anything to address your confusion? It just seems like an endless pattern of pestering to elicit a sassy response that allows ypu to remark how that's "in a nutshell" why you hate AAP. So pointless.
You assume that "bugging" this board, which I guess is any comment that doesn't applaud the handling of AAP in FCPS, is the only thing I or others are doing about it.
You also assume that a person who questions the wisdom waiting to open a center at a school that already has a healthy Level IV population, like Cooper, until everything is perfectly to the liking of members of the Cooper catchment area, while other centers are bursting at the seams in part to meet the needs of Cooper area AAP kids is the same person who hates AAP. I've got news for you, there are tons of different people making these comments, as they should be, as it involves a decision about how to educate all of our children and spend all of our tax dollars.
When we get to a point where parents whose children are attending AAP centers pay an additional fee for that service, then you might have a point about why others would care to post on this forum. Until then, you're probably going to have to get used to it.
A fee for service model has some issues-- a big one being that Level IV does not cost one cent more than GE, except busing. But Levels I, II, and III cost a big chunk extra, because you have an additional resource teacher. So I'll pay for private busing, when you pay for the level I, II or III resource teachers. And the actual cost of HS sports (including conditioning) and the real extra cost of having band and strings. And art. And TJ. Etc. but, I'm sure you see the point.
Here's the bigger picture. Nobody has a problem with someone having an opposing viewpoint on AAP, when they have something substantive to contribute. But, your constant temper tantrums are keeping the adults from having a conversation. Your tax dollars give you the right to engage in meaningful conversation about the local public schools. But you seem intent.on PREVENTING a substantive AAP conversation from occurring. And throw the same temper tantrum on every single thread in this forum. That is out of line.