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Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

I am not giving up on Yalies, but find that these protestors have little to say of any merit. To be spooked by Halloween costumes, my word. Having a pow-wow with them legitimizes their petty, cooked-up grievances, and is ill-advised in my opinion. However, one thing that the Yale admin should do is to separate that foul-mouthed girl and the spitters from the university. Plenty of motivated, deserving students would be happy to take their places as rightful Yalies. Boola, boola!

Well, I thought things might quiet down but evidently 200 protestors shouted new demands last night outside of the President's house near midnight. He is being very patient, but at some point soon this will go too far if it doesn't peter out. We need a statute on campus confirming Yale was built on land stolen from a indigenous peoples -- that's one demand. Oh yes, dental (for the Yale health plan) is another. Many people can't get dental from their jobs, but young people today who grow up with fluoride water should be entitled to it? Hey, I'd like it too, but that hasn't got a damn thing to do with alleged institutional and interpersonal racism. This group has no sense of priorities, because they are divorcing the problems from evidence and fact. If we don't agree on a common basis to argue and reason -- instead insisting emotion is just as important or moreso because logic is the language of oppressors -- there is no way to make rationale choices. More mental health professionals of color -- sure. Addressing overt racism aggressively wherever found, of course. But the newest demands cite only a few specifics, the Halloween costume email, the allegation of a fraternity turning away women of color (under investigation, denied by the frat, and very little has been publically offered in terms of witnesses), and one other event I can't recall. Supposedly, protestors poured out their hearts to the Dean for hours last week about feeling excluded from campus culture. Where are those stories? The public largely has viewed the students as spoiled, and rightly so. If conditions are so terrible, explain. If not, then what is this movement about other than attention and - -frankly, money. They seek $2 million for cultural houses (which only relate to 4 cultural groups on campus) -- why? Is that more important than dental for all students? How much will the statue cost -- is that more important?

Isn't part of the solution to all of this more conversation, more engagement, more cultural/experiential mixing? That's what diversity on campus is supposed to be -- in classes, in the dining halls, in the dorms, on teams and clubs. The answer can't be to facilitate and worse still, fund even more vehicles for self-segregation, Balkanization and identity group grievance-nursing.

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Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

I am not giving up on Yalies, but find that these protestors have little to say of any merit. To be spooked by Halloween costumes, my word. Having a pow-wow with them legitimizes their petty, cooked-up grievances, and is ill-advised in my opinion. However, one thing that the Yale admin should do is to separate that foul-mouthed girl and the spitters from the university. Plenty of motivated, deserving students would be happy to take their places as rightful Yalies. Boola, boola!

Well, I thought things might quiet down but evidently 200 protestors shouted new demands last night outside of the President's house near midnight. He is being very patient, but at some point soon this will go too far if it doesn't peter out. We need a statute on campus confirming Yale was built on land stolen from a indigenous peoples -- that's one demand. Oh yes, dental (for the Yale health plan) is another. Many people can't get dental from their jobs, but young people today who grow up with fluoride water should be entitled to it? Hey, I'd like it too, but that hasn't got a damn thing to do with alleged institutional and interpersonal racism. This group has no sense of priorities, because they are divorcing the problems from evidence and fact. If we don't agree on a common basis to argue and reason -- instead insisting emotion is just as important or moreso because logic is the language of oppressors -- there is no way to make rationale choices. More mental health professionals of color -- sure. Addressing overt racism aggressively wherever found, of course. But the newest demands cite only a few specifics, the Halloween costume email, the allegation of a fraternity turning away women of color (under investigation, denied by the frat, and very little has been publically offered in terms of witnesses), and one other event I can't recall. Supposedly, protestors poured out their hearts to the Dean for hours last week about feeling excluded from campus culture. Where are those stories? The public largely has viewed the students as spoiled, and rightly so. If conditions are so terrible, explain. If not, then what is this movement about other than attention and - -frankly, money. They seek $2 million for cultural houses (which only relate to 4 cultural groups on campus) -- why? Is that more important than dental for all students? How much will the statue cost -- is that more important?

Anonymous wrote: I think the Yale "screamer" will have her consequences, just not in any official school capacity. She has been publically vilified, and this will follow her forever. Her name and other personal information have been published on the internet. I think what she did was rude, disrespectful, and totally unjustified, but how many of us in college didn't do something stupid at some point in time that would have humiliated us to see published around the world on video. She did more good for waking up the opponents of the protestors than anything else could have done.

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Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

I am not giving up on Yalies, but find that these protestors have little to say of any merit. To be spooked by Halloween costumes, my word. Having a pow-wow with them legitimizes their petty, cooked-up grievances, and is ill-advised in my opinion. However, one thing that the Yale admin should do is to separate that foul-mouthed girl and the spitters from the university. Plenty of motivated, deserving students would be happy to take their places as rightful Yalies. Boola, boola!

Well, I thought things might quiet down but evidently 200 protestors shouted new demands last night outside of the President's house near midnight. He is being very patient, but at some point soon this will go too far if it doesn't peter out. We need a statute on campus confirming Yale was built on land stolen from a indigenous peoples -- that's one demand. Oh yes, dental (for the Yale health plan) is another. Many people can't get dental from their jobs, but young people today who grow up with fluoride water should be entitled to it? Hey, I'd like it too, but that hasn't got a damn thing to do with alleged institutional and interpersonal racism. This group has no sense of priorities, because they are divorcing the problems from evidence and fact. If we don't agree on a common basis to argue and reason -- instead insisting emotion is just as important or moreso because logic is the language of oppressors -- there is no way to make rationale choices. More mental health professionals of color -- sure. Addressing overt racism aggressively wherever found, of course. But the newest demands cite only a few specifics, the Halloween costume email, the allegation of a fraternity turning away women of color (under investigation, denied by the frat, and very little has been publically offered in terms of witnesses), and one other event I can't recall. Supposedly, protestors poured out their hearts to the Dean for hours last week about feeling excluded from campus culture. Where are those stories? The public largely has viewed the students as spoiled, and rightly so. If conditions are so terrible, explain. If not, then what is this movement about other than attention and - -frankly, money. They seek $2 million for cultural houses (which only relate to 4 cultural groups on campus) -- why? Is that more important than dental for all students? How much will the statue cost -- is that more important?

Anonymous wrote:God I wish some of these universities would just expel the extreme cases or at least pull their financial aid if they are getting a ride from the schools. I'm not talking about mere protestors - they have a right to do that if they want (but so long as they don't demand that exams be rescheduled or cancelled to accommodate the fact they haven't studied because they're too busy protesting). But I'm talking about that one Yale screamer and any of those students who were actively pushing and bullying that student photographer at Missouri. There should be consequences for actions that go beyond the pale.

Anonymous wrote: I think the Yale "screamer" will have her consequences, just not in any official school capacity. She has been publically vilified, and this will follow her forever. Her name and other personal information have been published on the internet. I think what she did was rude, disrespectful, and totally unjustified, but how many of us in college didn't do something stupid at some point in time that would have humiliated us to see published around the world on video. She did more good for waking up the opponents of the protestors than anything else could have done.

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Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

If you run for President, I will vote for you.

+1.

I wasn't in college that long ago and I've seen this kind of crap conduct first hand. If only these types could be booted more easily.

Not to derail this thread too much but a girl down the hall from me at my "prestigious" slac had serious mental issues and started cutting herself. Her roommate went through hell between having to avoid their dorm room and all the followup meetings with residential staff and the hall RA about "mediation" procedures. Seriously?! This poor girl should have been forced to take medical leave and the other roommate should have been offered a single ASAP. No one should be forced to sleep and do homework in a tiny cinderblock room with someone in the fetal position teetering on the verge of suicide. Instead, reslife staff stalled until the parents called a Dean and read them the riot act about having to pay room and board to deal with this shit and their daughter being told to be more "sensitive" and patient about resolving the matter.

We also knew a girl who had to have her stomach pumped TEN times due to alcohol poisoning and drug issues. Somehow the school missed these red flags and she went on to vandalize the apartment of a friend whom she later falsely accused of rape.

From my experience, colleges can be incredibly tone deaf and flat out stupid about resolving campus safety and quality of life issues in a rational manner. And some students have no business being in college. Instead we defer to "all children can learn". Except they're not children: they're rational adults who need to be help accountable for their speech and physical conduct.

I doubt Yale girl be suspended. Because of her race. Even if she was asked to leave, even temporarily, then she'd go full martyr, demand more attention, and get a book deal out of it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

I am not giving up on Yalies, but find that these protestors have little to say of any merit. To be spooked by Halloween costumes, my word. Having a pow-wow with them legitimizes their petty, cooked-up grievances, and is ill-advised in my opinion. However, one thing that the Yale admin should do is to separate that foul-mouthed girl and the spitters from the university. Plenty of motivated, deserving students would be happy to take their places as rightful Yalies. Boola, boola!

Well, I thought things might quiet down but evidently 200 protestors shouted new demands last night outside of the President's house near midnight. He is being very patient, but at some point soon this will go too far if it doesn't peter out. We need a statute on campus confirming Yale was built on land stolen from a indigenous peoples -- that's one demand. Oh yes, dental (for the Yale health plan) is another. Many people can't get dental from their jobs, but young people today who grow up with fluoride water should be entitled to it? Hey, I'd like it too, but that hasn't got a damn thing to do with alleged institutional and interpersonal racism. This group has no sense of priorities, because they are divorcing the problems from evidence and fact. If we don't agree on a common basis to argue and reason -- instead insisting emotion is just as important or moreso because logic is the language of oppressors -- there is no way to make rationale choices. More mental health professionals of color -- sure. Addressing overt racism aggressively wherever found, of course. But the newest demands cite only a few specifics, the Halloween costume email, the allegation of a fraternity turning away women of color (under investigation, denied by the frat, and very little has been publically offered in terms of witnesses), and one other event I can't recall. Supposedly, protestors poured out their hearts to the Dean for hours last week about feeling excluded from campus culture. Where are those stories? The public largely has viewed the students as spoiled, and rightly so. If conditions are so terrible, explain. If not, then what is this movement about other than attention and - -frankly, money. They seek $2 million for cultural houses (which only relate to 4 cultural groups on campus) -- why? Is that more important than dental for all students? How much will the statue cost -- is that more important?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.

I am not giving up on Yalies, but find that these protestors have little to say of any merit. To be spooked by Halloween costumes, my word. Having a pow-wow with them legitimizes their petty, cooked-up grievances, and is ill-advised in my opinion. However, one thing that the Yale admin should do is to separate that foul-mouthed girl and the spitters from the university. Plenty of motivated, deserving students would be happy to take their places as rightful Yalies. Boola, boola!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

If you run for President, I will vote for you.

+1.

I wasn't in college that long ago and I've seen this kind of crap conduct first hand. If only these types could be booted more easily.

Not to derail this thread too much but a girl down the hall from me at my "prestigious" slac had serious mental issues and started cutting herself. Her roommate went through hell between having to avoid their dorm room and all the followup meetings with residential staff and the hall RA about "mediation" procedures. Seriously?! This poor girl should have been forced to take medical leave and the other roommate should have been offered a single ASAP. No one should be forced to sleep and do homework in a tiny cinderblock room with someone in the fetal position teetering on the verge of suicide. Instead, reslife staff stalled until the parents called a Dean and read them the riot act about having to pay room and board to deal with this shit and their daughter being told to be more "sensitive" and patient about resolving the matter.

We also knew a girl who had to have her stomach pumped TEN times due to alcohol poisoning and drug issues. Somehow the school missed these red flags and she went on to vandalize the apartment of a friend whom she later falsely accused of rape.

From my experience, colleges can be incredibly tone deaf and flat out stupid about resolving campus safety and quality of life issues in a rational manner. And some students have no business being in college. Instead we defer to "all children can learn". Except they're not children: they're rational adults who need to be help accountable for their speech and physical conduct.

I doubt Yale girl be suspended. Because of her race. Even if she was asked to leave, even temporarily, then she'd go full martyr, demand more attention, and get a book deal out of it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think college students should show moral outrage whenever another college student tells someone s/he disagrees with to shut the fuck up? Or is it just when they tell authority figures to STFU?

If I'm going to Yale for an education, I want to learn from professors who are free to speak their mind without having to toe some ideological line or risking verbal and/or physical assault from some punk student. Make no mistake about it, this silly, stupid black girl needs to be given a time-out before she is allowed to return to classes. Her conduct crossed the bounds of civility at a college campus and she should be suspended.

If you run for President, I will vote for you.

+1.

I wasn't in college that long ago and I've seen this kind of crap conduct first hand. If only these types could be booted more easily.

Not to derail this thread too much but a girl down the hall from me at my "prestigious" slac had serious mental issues and started cutting herself. Her roommate went through hell between having to avoid their dorm room and all the followup meetings with residential staff and the hall RA about "mediation" procedures. Seriously?! This poor girl should have been forced to take medical leave and the other roommate should have been offered a single ASAP. No one should be forced to sleep and do homework in a tiny cinderblock room with someone in the fetal position teetering on the verge of suicide. Instead, reslife staff stalled until the parents called a Dean and read them the riot act about having to pay room and board to deal with this shit and their daughter being told to be more "sensitive" and patient about resolving the matter.

We also knew a girl who had to have her stomach pumped TEN times due to alcohol poisoning and drug issues. Somehow the school missed these red flags and she went on to vandalize the apartment of a friend whom she later falsely accused of rape.

From my experience, colleges can be incredibly tone deaf and flat out stupid about resolving campus safety and quality of life issues in a rational manner. And some students have no business being in college. Instead we defer to "all children can learn". Except they're not children: they're rational adults who need to be help accountable for their speech and physical conduct.

I doubt Yale girl be suspended. Because of her race. Even if she was asked to leave, even temporarily, then she'd go full martyr, demand more attention, and get a book deal out of it.

Anonymous wrote: I think the administration is actually playing it pretty well and it looks like they are getting a good grip on it at Yale. They have held a unity march and last night a forum that over 1000 people attended to discuss calmly what the protestors feel is lacking, and the President and Dean met privately with student leaders a few days ago on the same topic. The administration sent out an email to the entire community emphasizing the need to understand why some students do not feel welcome and what they can do to help, but at the same time emphasizing strongly the bedrock commitment of Yale to free speech and that intimation by protestors (or anyone else) will not be tolerated, and also educating today's students a bit about what the campus went through in the 1960s. A dialogue is ensuing and many of the white students are extending a hand to listen to protesting students concerns. From the newspapers, it seems like the situation is less volatile for the moment, as protestors and administrators work the problems, so protestors are not disrupting classes or more speaking events on controversial topics (there was a previously scheduled debate on affirmative action two nights ago without disruption --some students refused to engage in the debate and used their time to make statements that they believed the event should have been postponed because of the racially charged atmosphere, but it reportedly went off without disruption). It all could change in a moment, but don't give up on Yalies yet.