Anonymous
11/23/2014 13:58
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
Or maybe you're refusing to acknowledge that many Asian applicants often bring little to the table besides good grades and high test scores or that many Asians think that's all that should matter.
It's simply not true. Just because they have good grades, doesn't mean they're not good at other things. Your logic itself shows you have little ability to bring anything to the table.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 11:51
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
Or maybe you're refusing to acknowledge that many Asian applicants often bring little to the table besides good grades and high test scores or that many Asians think that's all that should matter.
Stereotype much?
Thought many play musical instruments, especially piano, exceptionally well.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 11:49
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
Or maybe you're refusing to acknowledge that many Asian applicants often bring little to the table besides good grades and high test scores or that many Asians think that's all that should matter.
Stereotype much?
Anonymous
11/23/2014 11:40
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
Or maybe you're refusing to acknowledge that many Asian applicants often bring little to the table besides good grades and high test scores or that many Asians think that's all that should matter.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 11:11
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:White girls get the biggest boost in hiring and promotions under affirmative action.
And yet, it's still top heavy with white males.
It will take time to mitigate the effects of centuries of white male privilege.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 11:08
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
And girls have to meet a higher bar than boys.
Not at certain colleges.
True. But at only at a few heavily STEM schools. At all other schools the bar is higher for girls.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 10:24
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:White girls get the biggest boost in hiring and promotions under affirmative action.
And yet, it's still top heavy with white males.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 10:15
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
White girls get the biggest boost in hiring and promotions under affirmative action.
Anonymous
11/23/2014 09:10
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
+100
Anonymous
11/22/2014 19:41
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
And girls have to meet a higher bar than boys.
Not at certain colleges.
...at pretty much every school in the top 25 except for probably CMU (though they do admissions based on school and i am confident SCS gives a boost to females interested in CS), mit and caltech.
Asian American and White Girls are the biggest losers in affirmative action in today's applicant pool at elite universities.
Anonymous
11/22/2014 19:39
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
And girls have to meet a higher bar than boys.
Not at certain colleges.
Anonymous
11/22/2014 19:38
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would Asians want to go to UNC? It sucks at STEM.
Look how racist people can be!
Why the F do you think Asians should be stick to STEM?
PP has a point. I'm asian american and I was discussing the suit with my friends and we were all like "wait, there's asian people suing UNC? what?"
Anonymous
11/22/2014 18:56
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
And girls have to meet a higher bar than boys...
Anonymous
11/22/2014 16:01
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
Anonymous wrote:Just because you get a perfect Act score does not mean that Harvard is required to accept you.
Also, just because you are Valedictorian, Harvard is not required to accept you.
My sister was Val. of a great high school and had near perfect scores but she was not accepted. we did not read anything into this. She is blonde and blue eyed by the way. she went to Stanford and loved it.
There are many students who get perfect or near perfect scores on standardized tests.
This Asian applicant's "activities" were lacking. One sport and a couple of volunteer activities is underwhelming.
The Ivies are looking for a well rounded class of students and leadership qualities.
You're missing the point. Nobody is saying a school needs to accept anyone because they have perfect test scores or perfect gpa. The fact is that Asians have a higher bar to meet than any other race in all aspects of the application process including grades, test scores, leadership, activities, volunteer work etc... just as it's a fact that whites need to meet a higher bar than blacks. I have a feeling you don't disagree with the latter part.
Anonymous
11/22/2014 15:24
Subject: Asians are suing Harvard and UNC - Chapel Hill for use of quotas
"This evidence of a massively disproportionate Asian presence among top-performing students only increases if we examine the winners of national academic competitions, especially those in mathematics and science, where judging is the most objective. Each year, America picks its five strongest students to represent our country in the International Math Olympiad, and during the three decades since 1980, some 34 percent of these team members have been Asian-American, with the corresponding figure for the International Computing Olympiad being 27 percent. The Intel Science Talent Search, begun in 1942 under the auspices of the Westinghouse Corporation, is America’s most prestigious high school science competition, and since 1980 some 32 percent of the 1320 finalists have been of Asian ancestry (see Appendix F).
Given that Asians accounted for just 1.5 percent of the population in 1980 and often lived in relatively impoverished immigrant families, the longer-term historical trends are even more striking. Asians were less than 10 percent of U.S. Math Olympiad winners during the 1980s, but rose to a striking 58 percent of the total during the last thirteen years 2000–2012. For the Computing Olympiad, Asian winners averaged about 20 percent of the total during most of the 1990s and 2000s, but grew to 50 percent during 2009–2010 and a remarkable 75 percent during 2011–2012.
The statistical trend for the Science Talent Search finalists, numbering many thousands of top science students, has been the clearest: Asians constituted 22 percent of the total in the 1980s, 29 percent in the 1990s, 36 percent in the 2000s, and 64 percent in the 2010s. In particular science subjects, the Physics Olympiad winners follow a similar trajectory, with Asians accounting for 23 percent of the winners during the 1980s, 25 percent during the 1990s, 46 percent during the 2000s, and a remarkable 81 percent since 2010. The 2003–2012 Biology Olympiad winners were 68 percent Asian and Asians took an astonishing 90 percent of the top spots in the recent Chemistry Olympiads. Some 61 percent of the Siemens AP Awards from 2002–2011 went to Asians, including thirteen of the fourteen top national prizes.
Yet even while all these specific Asian-American academic achievement trends were rising at such an impressive pace, the relative enrollment of Asians at Harvard was plummeting, dropping by over half during the last twenty years, with a range of similar declines also occurring at Yale, Cornell, and most other Ivy League universities. Columbia, in the heart of heavily Asian New York City, showed the steepest decline of all."
Given that Asians accounted for just 1.5 percent of the population in 1980 and often lived in relatively impoverished immigrant families, the longer-term historical trends are even more striking. Asians were less than 10 percent of U.S. Math Olympiad winners during the 1980s, but rose to a striking 58 percent of the total during the last thirteen years 2000–2012. For the Computing Olympiad, Asian winners averaged about 20 percent of the total during most of the 1990s and 2000s, but grew to 50 percent during 2009–2010 and a remarkable 75 percent during 2011–2012.
The statistical trend for the Science Talent Search finalists, numbering many thousands of top science students, has been the clearest: Asians constituted 22 percent of the total in the 1980s, 29 percent in the 1990s, 36 percent in the 2000s, and 64 percent in the 2010s. In particular science subjects, the Physics Olympiad winners follow a similar trajectory, with Asians accounting for 23 percent of the winners during the 1980s, 25 percent during the 1990s, 46 percent during the 2000s, and a remarkable 81 percent since 2010. The 2003–2012 Biology Olympiad winners were 68 percent Asian and Asians took an astonishing 90 percent of the top spots in the recent Chemistry Olympiads. Some 61 percent of the Siemens AP Awards from 2002–2011 went to Asians, including thirteen of the fourteen top national prizes.
Yet even while all these specific Asian-American academic achievement trends were rising at such an impressive pace, the relative enrollment of Asians at Harvard was plummeting, dropping by over half during the last twenty years, with a range of similar declines also occurring at Yale, Cornell, and most other Ivy League universities. Columbia, in the heart of heavily Asian New York City, showed the steepest decline of all."