Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

You're an idiot. Was I referring to the black community in Africa? Why are you referencing Asians from Asia? And BTW, it's not just the Asians fighting to get in here... so are the Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Asians in the US are doing fine.. there.. is that better? When they are not, there usually is a community leader that rallies people. As a whole, I would say Asians are faring better than blacks here. Yes, I know part of is racism, but not all of it is.

Fine..there is no black community. Your race is doing fine. There is no problem in the "black community" because there is no such thing as the "black community". There are aberrant black criminals, and because there are a few, now all black people are painted as criminals. All these issues in the non-existent black community is made up by the white people and the media controlled by the white people.

Does that make you feel better?

Well now that you put it that way, yes it does.

Again.. no intelligent answers, just flippant remarks - assuming you are the PPP. Then if you think there are no problems, case closed. Let's not belabor this issue. Move on.

Should I just tell Jeff to delete this thread since apparently there are no issues in the non-existent black community?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

When blacks use "community", it's more related to our race/ethnicity. It is difficult to explain, but it is different and does not suggest a monolithic way of defining black people.

re: education. I'm not an educator. But I will say this: Who are the decision makers when it comes to our educational system? What race are they? Do they have the best interest of minorities at heart? Our students are as good as our teachers and many of them who teach minority kids don't give a damn. They play DOWN to what they think the students will know/be able to grasp and the low expectations result in students left behind.

You're been slapped for saying black sheep? I find that very hard to believe, unless your comment surrounded that word was especially outrageous.

BTW, don't be "all eyes" regarding what I say. I'm one black person. Why would you imagine that I would have ALL of the answers about black people? Do you profess to be an expert on all things white?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

You're an idiot. Was I referring to the black community in Africa? Why are you referencing Asians from Asia? And BTW, it's not just the Asians fighting to get in here... so are the Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Asians in the US are doing fine.. there.. is that better? When they are not, there usually is a community leader that rallies people. As a whole, I would say Asians are faring better than blacks here. Yes, I know part of is racism, but not all of it is.

Fine..there is no black community. Your race is doing fine. There is no problem in the "black community" because there is no such thing as the "black community". There are aberrant black criminals, and because there are a few, now all black people are painted as criminals. All these issues in the non-existent black community is made up by the white people and the media controlled by the white people.

Does that make you feel better?

Asians (who came here as immigrants and have no history of hundreds of years of systematic racism in the US) are doing well in the US? You don't say? What a shock! You mean the same Asians who come here from middle/upper class families (known to hold education in high esteem) actually value education in the US? What a shock!

I don't really blame you. You don't really know better. Maybe take a few AA courses to gain some knowledge? Or don't... whatever eases the arm ache when you paint with that heavy broad brush.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

Do you call your community as "the white community"?

No, it's not how I use community when referring to myself. I will use community when referring my cultural ties, however, which is never offensive. As first generation, I grew up with strong ties to my parents' country. Why isn't that offensive? I speak English; I speak my parents' language. I am proud of my heritage; it is my community.

But in this case, I used "white community" b/c both sides are throwing punches at each other.

Do you have another point to address, or was that it?

So is it the Asian community. The Indian community. The Pakistani community. the Malaysian community. The Filipino community. The Chinese community. Or, the Thai community. My bad, all those Asian communities are not monolithic at all.

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Anonymous wrote:20:40 you state that 50% of the black people you work with save for their children's college. The other 50% do not and do not think it is the best investment for their children. Are you telling me that 100% of white folks in America save for their children to attend college and 100% believe college is a good investment?

Whether you can save or not is obviously up to your income level -- but more than 50% of whites do think some kind of college is best for kids; I mean look at the rise of for profit universities and online colleges. I have not heard whites mock college and "book learning" the way I've heard blacks do so -- sorry -- just my experience. I'm sure I'll be told I'm wrong.

You're wrong. But we aren't really talking about more than 50%, but it was mighty white of you to move the goal post. Your original diatribe was 50% of blacks saved and talked about college. Whereas the other 50% of the 30 black folks you worked with did not. Again, for you, where are these 100% white folks who save for college?

Oh, and there was just within the last week a long thread from white posters stating that if they had to do it over, they would not go to college, but to trade school. There is another thread where posters state that they will not save for their children to attend college, as it would be best if the kid had some financial teeth in their own education. The demographics of DCUM skews white, middle class, female, so take the posts for what they are worth.

Talking about one race at 50% and another at more than 50% is not moving the goal post. Maybe take a statistics class. And the truth remains the same -- I have heard numerous blacks mock college and "book learning." This would be blacks living in big cities, not rural Alabama blacks. I don't hear that same mocking from big city whites.

And to those who said I worked with 30 black people in an office. Clearly you've never stepped foot in a large company in Philadelphia. You step foot into the departments of Comcast, Blue Cross & Blue Shield or another Phil. company -- departments that don't require a college degree like customer service or claims, you're not seeing 30 black people. You are seeing entire floors of black people. An all black department -- where you've got 100 out of 200 women taking an attitude about college, well that's at least 100 kids in North or West Philadelphia (and likely more as each woman generally has more than 1 kid) that are hearing from their moms that higher education does not matter. If you're already living in the ghetto (which both of those areas of Phil. are), you may want to keep your both shut about how education doesn't matter and help your kid figure out some way to get out of the hood -- lest he be hanging with the Michael Browns of the world.

Anonymous wrote:I really don't get the "black community" hate. I hear this by black people all the time. So, you think they are wrong, too? I'm thinking most black people in this country do use the term "black community".

And you are wrong!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

You're an idiot. Was I referring to the black community in Africa? Why are you referencing Asians from Asia? And BTW, it's not just the Asians fighting to get in here... so are the Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Asians in the US are doing fine.. there.. is that better? When they are not, there usually is a community leader that rallies people. As a whole, I would say Asians are faring better than blacks here. Yes, I know part of is racism, but not all of it is.

Fine..there is no black community. Your race is doing fine. There is no problem in the "black community" because there is no such thing as the "black community". There are aberrant black criminals, and because there are a few, now all black people are painted as criminals. All these issues in the non-existent black community is made up by the white people and the media controlled by the white people.

Does that make you feel better?

Well now that you put it that way, yes it does.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

When blacks use "community", it's more related to our race/ethnicity. It is difficult to explain, but it is different and does not suggest a monolithic way of defining black people.

re: education. I'm not an educator. But I will say this: Who are the decision makers when it comes to our educational system? What race are they? Do they have the best interest of minorities at heart? Our students are as good as our teachers and many of them who teach minority kids don't give a damn. They play DOWN to what they think the students will know/be able to grasp and the low expectations result in students left behind.

You're been slapped for saying black sheep? I find that very hard to believe, unless your comment surrounded that word was especially outrageous.

BTW, don't be "all eyes" regarding what I say. I'm one black person. Why would you imagine that I would have ALL of the answers about black people? Do you profess to be an expert on all things white?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

Do you call your community as "the white community"?

No, it's not how I use community when referring to myself. I will use community when referring my cultural ties, however, which is never offensive. As first generation, I grew up with strong ties to my parents' country. Why isn't that offensive? I speak English; I speak my parents' language. I am proud of my heritage; it is my community.

But in this case, I used "white community" b/c both sides are throwing punches at each other.

Do you have another point to address, or was that it?

On the "American Parents" thread, posters are flat out stating that in the overall scheme of all things, white people are bad at parenting, and go so far as to kicking their kids out of the house without support at the tender age of 18.

I really don't get the "black community" hate. I hear this by black people all the time. So, you think they are wrong, too? I'm thinking most black people in this country do use the term "black community".

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

You're an idiot. Was I referring to the black community in Africa? Why are you referencing Asians from Asia? And BTW, it's not just the Asians fighting to get in here... so are the Africans, Hispanics, etc.

Asians in the US are doing fine.. there.. is that better? When they are not, there usually is a community leader that rallies people. As a whole, I would say Asians are faring better than blacks here. Yes, I know part of is racism, but not all of it is.

Fine..there is no black community. Your race is doing fine. There is no problem in the "black community" because there is no such thing as the "black community". There are aberrant black criminals, and because there are a few, now all black people are painted as criminals. All these issues in the non-existent black community is made up by the white people and the media controlled by the white people.

Does that make you feel better?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

Do you call your community as "the white community"?

Anonymous wrote:

We don't need Jackie Chan as our leader cause we are doing just fine. Most minority groups have a "community leader" that speaks for the community, organizes the community, etc.. . Some may lead just the local community, but isn't that a start? You don't think having a "leader" would help your community? I'm not saying every black person is lost. Clearly that is not the case. But don't you think the black community needs to change at all? Or is it that everyone around them needs to change first? Like I said, racism is real. But how is the community helping themselves? Maybe they are and the rest of us just don't see it.

So then what do *you* think needs to happen in the black community? Maybe you are upper class, so this isn't your community. Then this doesn't really apply to you, does it.

Asians are doing just fine? Really? Then why are many of you fighting tooth and nail to get to the US? How are things in your home country? Everyone doing great and not in need of any great Asian leader? How...interesting.

BTW, there is no black community. There is a black race. This idea that we are all interconnected is false and needs to stop. It's asinine and small-minded thinking.

Then we need this cleared up. I hear "black community" all the time from my black colleagues.

Furthermore, when we talk about the achievement gap (black and Hispanics vs. whites and Asians). we are lumping all blacks and Hispanics together. Do we address this supposed need or not? b/c this is a national concern that's the focal point in every major school system

Is it EVER appropriate to use community? I've never been slapped for using it. I was slapped for using "black sheep" (in reference to myself) in front of three black colleagues. I thought that was a little over the top. But maybe I was in the wrong?

So maybe WE'RE - the whites and our "diverse" communities (?) - are just confused!

Words can be powerful. They shape our views. So maybe you can enlighten White America?

I'm all eyes.

Anonymous wrote:Hey if I became a cuckold and got off watching my wife with sleep with other men would I be "acting white"?
Do white parents teach that to their sons?