Anonymous wrote:If the Mosaic District is the future of Fairfax (and that is a big IF), Westover is the future of Arlington -- no ifs, ands or buts, it has already arrived. It is normal housing for normal people who want to be able to walk to things and enjoy what Arlington provides -- schools, parks, libraries, bike path.

Today retiring Arlington County board member, Chris Zimmerman, was interviewed on Metro Connection. He outlined the entire reason why Arlington prospered around the Metro system. While other jurisdictions -- like Dunn Loring -- erh -- the MOsaic District languished next to a Metro, Arlington aggressively developed along the orange and yellow lines. Smart people made good decisions for Arlington in the 1960s and 1970s, and the results of those decisions are being played out today.

Anonymous wrote:The Westover area is a nice area if you don't need to be super close to the Metro - newly renovated library, restaurants, grocery store, etc. Not as $$ as Clarendon.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

Arlington was run down back then. Wilson Boulevard had lots of empty storefronts and it was considered an upgrade when Clarendon became "Little Saigon." Obviously all these areas got richer starting in the 80s. There is no poor part of McLean today other than maybe the apartments in Tysons off Magarity across from Pimmit Hills, and even those complexes aren't bad. It is just the haves and the have-mores.

Yup, before metro most of Arlington was run down, but north Arlington around Yorktown HS was always pretty rich (22207 right?) whereas my neighborhood around McLean HS was pretty average, In those days I believe Yorktown was considered higher end than McLean HS but that was before all the development...

Not any more, as they're about the same, but Langley is higher end than both.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason it is expensive is density which brings walkability.

Density -- and regulations. The (liberal) voters in Arlington have elected County Boards over the past decade that are all in favor of walkability. New building? Pay for the nicer sidewalks and bike paths.

Yes and proximity to DC and Metro, bike share, schools, so few SFHs for demand.

Three is a glut of new SFH in north arlington,

Most jobs aren't in DC and the schools are medicore

#getoverit

Can't afford Arlington? There are plenty of 3/2 split foyers in McLean for 600

WHERE please tell me, I will buy 4 right now.

Cheapest SFH on the market in McLean now is $695K. Cheapest SFH in 22207 is $479K.

Nah, you're being selective and deceitful again.

Here's an example of a recently sold single family home in McLeantucky for $350K...and it is 50% larger than the Halls Hill 22207 example that was condemned, and still costs way more.

http://www.redfin.com/VA/Mclean/6200-Adeline-Ct-22101/home/9412916

But I understand your insecurity that the cheapest home you could find this week in 22207 is a 900 sq ft condemned home in Hall's Hill. Because Arlington 22207 also has Townhouses that sell for $4.4 Million http://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/2927-N-Glebe-Rd-22207/home/23385524 , or approximately 15 times the average of a SFH south of 123 in McLean.

But using one example or another to skew a sample is called "Confirmation Bias".

In the end, Arlington 22207 and McLean 22101 both have family HHIs between $200K and $205K. In fact, the biggest homes in McLean are not even in 22101 - they are in McLean 22102. And according to the Census for 2010, the average HHI in 22207 far exceeds that of 22102.

Deal with the facts - they are your friend. If you want to talk exceptions, I'll see your 900 Square foot house for half a million in Hall's Hill, and see you a $150,000 condo in McLean Village with more square footage.

Or the average SFH in McLean: http://www.redfin.com/VA/Mc-Lean/6534-Tucker-Ave-22101/home/9475042

I have no dog in this fight but I am a realtor in both areas. Factually speaking, and hyperbole aside:

Yes, particularly in the past -- 22101 has had some famous people residing there; but then so does 22207. (Neither compares to 20007 in this regard by the way over history)

McLean 22101 today is really a tale of two cities: an area north of 123 and an area south. There is a noticeable disparity of home sale values.

Arlington 22207 is a tale of two cities as well: an area of the zip code north of Lee Hwy and an area south but in general the homes are of course on average much smaller and command a high $ per Sq Ft

Arlington 22207 has more low income (by these area's stds of course) SFH neighborhoods such as Halls Hill; McLean 22101 has more low income Condos near its village center. At the other end, McLean has at least upwards of 5 to 10 Estates above $5 Million that sell each year; and yes Arlington has a couple $5 Million Townhouses that don't even have yards

But in the end one fact remains: Average Household incomes for families in the two zip codes across all of these neighborhoods are virtually identical even if the actual homes, ages of the households, etc are very different.

In other words - residents are - on average - equally affluent.

Arlingtonians in general, not just 22207 like living there. The same is true for average McLeaners.

The rest of this thread sounds like 12 years olds readying to steal the other team's mascot.

+1. For the record, Mosaic District is the future, Arlington and McLean are the past.

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Anonymous wrote:There have been 194 sales over $1M since 1/1/13 in 22101 compared to 141 in 22207. It's not just the occasional $15M property sale, but a higher-end housing stock in general.

I actually think that is the point the other poster was making. The average home sale price in McLean 22101 (not including TH, Condos) is generally about $900-950 in a typical quarter. The average in Arlington 22207 is generally about $800-850 (your point about housing stock size, and square footage)

If the average family income in the two zips are roughly the same, why do people take on more house on average in McLean for their ability to afford? Or put another way -- are the Saudis in their $15 Million houses holding their weight in HHI, when everyone else in McLean is just average Fairfax County?

One 15 million house sale requires 15 one-dollar house sales to reach a $1 M average....

I can assure you, no one on this board owns a $15 Million house facing the Potomac.

That aside, the Saudi comment early on in this disaster of a thread was odd. Most Saudis in this country are not members of Bandar's family (who are spread across Chain Bridge Road in Arlington and Fairfax Counties in $5-$15 Million houses. Most are average people. Cab drivers, accountants, store clerks, students, soldiers.

Most Saudi Americans actually have low income compared to other ethnic groups.

I own a $15 M home facing the Potomac River.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

Arlington was run down back then. Wilson Boulevard had lots of empty storefronts and it was considered an upgrade when Clarendon became "Little Saigon." Obviously all these areas got richer starting in the 80s. There is no poor part of McLean today other than maybe the apartments in Tysons off Magarity across from Pimmit Hills, and even those complexes aren't bad. It is just the haves and the have-mores.

Yup, before metro most of Arlington was run down, but north Arlington around Yorktown HS was always pretty rich (22207 right?) whereas my neighborhood around McLean HS was pretty average, In those days I believe Yorktown was considered higher end than McLean HS but that was before all the development...

Not any more, as they're about the same, but Langley is higher end than both.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

Arlington was run down back then. Wilson Boulevard had lots of empty storefronts and it was considered an upgrade when Clarendon became "Little Saigon." Obviously all these areas got richer starting in the 80s. There is no poor part of McLean today other than maybe the apartments in Tysons off Magarity across from Pimmit Hills, and even those complexes aren't bad. It is just the haves and the have-mores.

Yup, before metro most of Arlington was run down, but north Arlington around Yorktown HS was always pretty rich (22207 right?) whereas my neighborhood around McLean HS was pretty average, In those days I believe Yorktown was considered higher end than McLean HS but that was before all the development...

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf do we keep going back to 22207? There's never anything on the market SFHwise in the walkable areas of 22201. This is where the highest demand occurs in Arlington. It's about 100 houses and people will sell a kidney to get in.

Truthfully, I always said if I was going to give up walkability anyways--I'd move out of Arlington into Fairfax co where I'd get more for my $. What's an extra 10 min in the car if you are driving all the time anyways?

22201 is more urban than 22207 or 22101 and has a richer diversity of housing than McLean or North Arlington (22207).

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

Arlington was run down back then. Wilson Boulevard had lots of empty storefronts and it was considered an upgrade when Clarendon became "Little Saigon." Obviously all these areas got richer starting in the 80s. There is no poor part of McLean today other than maybe the apartments in Tysons off Magarity across from Pimmit Hills, and even those complexes aren't bad. It is just the haves and the have-mores.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

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Anonymous wrote:McLean was formed in 1910 when the villages of Langley and Lewinsville merged. I know McLean trends older than Arlington, but the last poster must easily be pushing 115 to suggest Langley and McLean are anything other than two different high schools.

Please, one need only drive around the area of Georgetown pike (Langley HS) versus the area around McLean HS. Night and Day.

I think Langley was a place name before Zip Codes were invented in the 1960's...after that it existed as an unofficial term for the rich part of McLean (the poor part of McLean being south)

I grew up in McLean on the "wrong side of the tracks". I can attest to this. Kids from up near Georgetown Pike referred to their area as "Langley" not "McLean". In those days (1970s) Tysons was a strip mall with an orange bowl and mclean was very modest with tons of GS-12-15 single income families. Seriously. I loved NoVa in those days though. Ballston was Parkington and Clarendon was dangerous and had gangs all over.

Anonymous wrote:Wtf do we keep going back to 22207? There's never anything on the market SFHwise in the walkable areas of 22201. This is where the highest demand occurs in Arlington. It's about 100 houses and people will sell a kidney to get in.

Truthfully, I always said if I was going to give up walkability anyways--I'd move out of Arlington into Fairfax co where I'd get more for my $. What's an extra 10 min in the car if you are driving all the time anyways?

Anonymous wrote:Wtf do we keep going back to 22207? There's never anything on the market SFHwise in the walkable areas of 22201. This is where the highest demand occurs in Arlington. It's about 100 houses and people will sell a kidney to get in.

Truthfully, I always said if I was going to give up walkability anyways--I'd move out of Arlington into Fairfax co where I'd get more for my $. What's an extra 10 min in the car if you are driving all the time anyways?

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Anonymous wrote:There have been 194 sales over $1M since 1/1/13 in 22101 compared to 141 in 22207. It's not just the occasional $15M property sale, but a higher-end housing stock in general.

I actually think that is the point the other poster was making. The average home sale price in McLean 22101 (not including TH, Condos) is generally about $900-950 in a typical quarter. The average in Arlington 22207 is generally about $800-850 (your point about housing stock size, and square footage)

If the average family income in the two zips are roughly the same, why do people take on more house on average in McLean for their ability to afford? Or put another way -- are the Saudis in their $15 Million houses holding their weight in HHI, when everyone else in McLean is just average Fairfax County?

One 15 million house sale requires 15 one-dollar house sales to reach a $1 M average....

I can assure you, no one on this board owns a $15 Million house facing the Potomac.

That aside, the Saudi comment early on in this disaster of a thread was odd. Most Saudis in this country are not members of Bandar's family (who are spread across Chain Bridge Road in Arlington and Fairfax Counties in $5-$15 Million houses. Most are average people. Cab drivers, accountants, store clerks, students, soldiers.

Most Saudi Americans actually have low income compared to other ethnic groups.

This guy would live in McLean NOT arlington