Anonymous wrote:It might be helpful to remember that veiling was for upper class women at the time the Quran was revealed. Poor women, who had to work in the fields, couldn't bother with veils.

Even true in recent times in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia for women who work in the fields. (Speaking of the face here--they wear large hats to protect themselves from the sun.)

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Anonymous wrote:Ha! No. The shape of legs is not supposed to be visible to others.

I've read the Quranic verses in question, and they talk about using a veil to hide a woman's "beautiful parts," as I recall. Legs as such aren't mentioned. Some have interpreted this as meaning you shouldn't show cleavage or hair.

The verse in question does not mention a veil, just that a women should cover her beautiful things. This would definitely rule out public nudity, but I could see a bikini--and certainly shorts with or without tights--as qualifying.

The hair thing, as some interpret it today, is not traditionally Muslim. Women in the Middle East for centuries wore veils over their heads without being obsessive, as some are today, about hair above the forehead and along the sides of the face showing.

It might be helpful to remember that veiling was for upper class women at the time the Quran was revealed. Poor women, who had to work in the fields, couldn't bother with veils.

Anything that ordinarily does not need to be visible. Hands and feet are necessary to go about ordinary tasks. This is what I was told. Makes no sense to wear hijab but wear daisy duked.

Anonymous wrote:Ha! No. The shape of legs is not supposed to be visible to others.

I've read the Quranic verses in question, and they talk about using a veil to hide a woman's "beautiful parts," as I recall. Legs as such aren't mentioned. Some have interpreted this as meaning you shouldn't show cleavage or hair.

Ha! No. The shape of legs is not supposed to be visible to others.

Are Muslims aloud to wear denim shorts with tights underneath?

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1. For Muslim women who wear hijab, niqab or other coverings -- don't you miss feeling the wind in your hair or the sun on your shoulders?

2. What if a man who is not your husband or non-blood relative somehow accidentally sees you uncovered? Do you feel shamed? Do you have to tell your husband?

3. Doesn't this whole practice of downplaying your natural beauty cut off a part of your femininity? I think it is great fun to play with make up and get dressed up and enjoy being attractive and beautiful and, heck, even dolled up once in awhile. Why does that never seem to be allowed except behind closed doors? If your female beauty is so tempting to a man, shouldn't he have to control himself rather than you having to do everything you can to downplay your beauty?

Anonymous wrote:Are women who cover their heads "allowed" to wear high heels? Is that contradictory?

One must first realize that there are dozens (hundreds? thousands?) of reasons that women cover their hair. Some do so for modesty and religious reasons, but some do so because of a more cultural clothing accessory, than religious garment. Some wear hair coverings because a lot of their peers do so - and not because of a personal religious compulsion. Some people wear it because they like the style. Some wear it because doing your hair everyday is just a pain in the ass. I would advise others to not assume a hair covering is strictly religious - although it may be a superficial or "quick" reason to ward off questions.

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A marriage is a partnership, each person has a duty to fulfill in order to make that marriage work. The Quran just states these duties clearly, for both men and women. It is kind of like a work contract. You are expected to perform certain duties at work, you cant just do what you want and make yourself happy and not please your boss. Both parties have to be happy in order to have a good relationship be it at work or at home. America is a high divorce rate of over 50%, dont you wonder why? [/b]

KSA, the Muslimest place on earth, has a divorce rate of 50%, too - don't you wonder why?

I'm not the PP, but a former Muslim. Personally, I would categorize Saudi Arabia as the *least* Muslim place on earth. I don't mean that with any spite or sarcasm. Beyond the surface, I can't think of a place more immoral and unethical, and so detached from Islam, than Saudi. And I don't even believe in the religion anymore...

em

PP, what made you decide to leave Islam? What is your belief system now?

I'm an atheist. I grew up in a moderate, practicing, tolerant family. My decision to leave Islam was more of a decision to leave religion altogether. I just couldn't rationally believe that one tradition is somehow more right than others, and that one version of a god is more right than others. It all seemed very arbitrary to me - people generally believe what they're brought up, not what logically makes sense in their own minds and hearts.

Anonymous wrote:Are women who cover their heads "allowed" to wear high heels? Is that contradictory?

I've lived in the Middle East and I've seen women in hijab wearing ultra-tight jeans, full-on makeup, miniskirts over tights, heels, nude-colored tops that covered their upper body and then a tank top over it. They were also really creative with the way they wore the hijab. The creativity of women in hijab sort of awed me. They would also have their hair beautifully done at women-only salons, which I went to do my hair too. I felt that those women maybe did not really want to be wearing the hijab, and were just submitting to family/cultural pressure. Although I'm not Muslim so what the hell do I know.

Are women who cover their heads "allowed" to wear high heels? Is that contradictory?

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A marriage is a partnership, each person has a duty to fulfill in order to make that marriage work. The Quran just states these duties clearly, for both men and women. It is kind of like a work contract. You are expected to perform certain duties at work, you cant just do what you want and make yourself happy and not please your boss. Both parties have to be happy in order to have a good relationship be it at work or at home. America is a high divorce rate of over 50%, dont you wonder why? [/b]

KSA, the Muslimest place on earth, has a divorce rate of 50%, too - don't you wonder why?

I'm not the PP, but a former Muslim. Personally, I would categorize Saudi Arabia as the *least* Muslim place on earth. I don't mean that with any spite or sarcasm. Beyond the surface, I can't think of a place more immoral and unethical, and so detached from Islam, than Saudi. And I don't even believe in the religion anymore...

em

PP, what made you decide to leave Islam? What is your belief system now?

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A marriage is a partnership, each person has a duty to fulfill in order to make that marriage work. The Quran just states these duties clearly, for both men and women. It is kind of like a work contract. You are expected to perform certain duties at work, you cant just do what you want and make yourself happy and not please your boss. Both parties have to be happy in order to have a good relationship be it at work or at home. America is a high divorce rate of over 50%, dont you wonder why? [/b]

KSA, the Muslimest place on earth, has a divorce rate of 50%, too - don't you wonder why?

I'm not the PP, but a former Muslim. Personally, I would categorize Saudi Arabia as the *least* Muslim place on earth. I don't mean that with any spite or sarcasm. Beyond the surface, I can't think of a place more immoral and unethical, and so detached from Islam, than Saudi. And I don't even believe in the religion anymore...