Anonymous wrote:For those trying to say any dog can be aggressive, how many times do you read about beagles maiming or killing children?

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

First, kudos to you for understanding people's right to own a dog and for not jumping on the ban them all bandwagon.

I'd just like to point out people think pit bulls are bigger than they are - usually 40-55 lbs. A standard golden is 55-75 lbs. Also, their jaw strength is less than that of the average dog:

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

Should a dog that is prone to bite or who has a bite history be muzzled in public? Absolutely. But, this needs to be on a case by case basis and not generalized to all of one type of dog. In public, my dogs have never bitten or attempted to bite a dog, but they have been bitten and attacked by chihuahuas, daschunds and a poodle mix. Even when my dogs were attacked, they did not fight back, they tried to run. In these cases, the other dogs were the ones that needed muzzles.

You know what the problem is with these numbers? All you need to rip someone's face off is 235 PSI...even less. So the question is, which dog is most likely to bite, second question is which one bite the hardest, i.e. which one kills instantly and which one needs to take two bites to sever a carotid artery.

And which dog is most likely to bite?

An untrained dog. Especially a male unneutered dog that has experienced being chained (chaining and not being neutered increases aggression). What is more likely to bite? An untrained unneutered male lab or a trained neutered (or female) pitbull? Again. Breed is not the determining factor.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

First, kudos to you for understanding people's right to own a dog and for not jumping on the ban them all bandwagon.

I'd just like to point out people think pit bulls are bigger than they are - usually 40-55 lbs. A standard golden is 55-75 lbs. Also, their jaw strength is less than that of the average dog:

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

Should a dog that is prone to bite or who has a bite history be muzzled in public? Absolutely. But, this needs to be on a case by case basis and not generalized to all of one type of dog. In public, my dogs have never bitten or attempted to bite a dog, but they have been bitten and attacked by chihuahuas, daschunds and a poodle mix. Even when my dogs were attacked, they did not fight back, they tried to run. In these cases, the other dogs were the ones that needed muzzles.

You know what the problem is with these numbers? All you need to rip someone's face off is 235 PSI...even less. So the question is, which dog is most likely to bite, second question is which one bite the hardest, i.e. which one kills instantly and which one needs to take two bites to sever a carotid artery.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

First, kudos to you for understanding people's right to own a dog and for not jumping on the ban them all bandwagon.

I'd just like to point out people think pit bulls are bigger than they are - usually 40-55 lbs. A standard golden is 55-75 lbs. Also, their jaw strength is less than that of the average dog:

Tests that have been done comparing the bite pressure of several
breeds showed pressure PSI (per square inch) to be considerably lower
than some wild estimates that have been made. Testing has shown that
the domestic dog averages about 320 lbs of pressure per square inch.
Recently Dr. Brady Barr of National Geographic conducted a comparative
test between a Pit Bull, a Rottweiler, and a German Shepherd. The Pit
Bull had the LOWEST PSI OF THE THREE.

The highest pressure recorded from the Pit Bull was 235 lbs PSI. The
highest from the GSD was 238, and the highest from the Rott was 328.
Dr. Barr states that as far as he knows, the PSI tested in the Rott is the
highest on record for any domestic canine.

Should a dog that is prone to bite or who has a bite history be muzzled in public? Absolutely. But, this needs to be on a case by case basis and not generalized to all of one type of dog. In public, my dogs have never bitten or attempted to bite a dog, but they have been bitten and attacked by chihuahuas, daschunds and a poodle mix. Even when my dogs were attacked, they did not fight back, they tried to run. In these cases, the other dogs were the ones that needed muzzles.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think a wolf could take a Pitt bull?

I think my pits would run away if an aggressive wolf came their way. If a daschund scares them, a wolf definitely would. I have no illusions that my dogs are wimps. I did not get them to have tough dogs.

Anonymous wrote:Do you think a wolf could take a Pitt bull?

Anonymous wrote:I have no issue with the existence of these types or dogs per se as pets however I think that given the size and strength of some dog breeds in general This could all be resolved with simple muzzle laws. If you'd ike to bring your pet out in public with other people then you have to offer the rest of us some certainty that we will be safe. Seems simple to me.

He is not putting HIS credibility on the line. These shows are TV because people like to watch unusual things, not normal, less risky boring things.

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Anonymous wrote:amazing how sadly blinded the pit bull defenders are. and for what purpose?

I'm starting to think you are just trolling.

no, I am the normal majority. I am a dog lover, have had many dogs in my lifetime. never occurred to me to buy a pit. what is the point? what can you get from a pit that you cannot get from a dog that doesn't have the image and insurance problems? that is assuming that truly there is no greater risk with those dogs? again, what is the point? why not just a breed that won't create problems for you? clearly from reading this thread, most people see pits as dangerous. so why turn off your neighbors? why alarm your insurance company? why take the risk? just get a friggin golden retriever.

You have yet to provide evidence or dispute anything. And, assuming you are the same poster, you've done nothing but say the same things over and over rather then actually addressing any one's points.

There are a lot of pitbulls in shelters. People who are looking for a dog will encounter pitbulls. That's why we got ours. I don't care if a bunch of ignoramuses think all pitbulls are dangerous based on stereotypes, myths, and over hyped fear based media reports. Most of those people don't even understand what a pitbull is. And everyone who has met my dog doesn't have a problem with it. And hey, if people believe that my dog is capable of ripping their throat out that means I won't get mugged or raped while out for a walk right?

There is a risk with untrained golden retrievers. There is a risk with untrained Chihuahuas. There is a risk with any untrained or spoiled rotten dog. Already covered that. In fact, as I mentioned I'm waiting for the horribly trained lab near me to bite someone. And its a BIG dog, and not even fully grown and it doesn't listen to its owner and it runs away and it jumps on people and the other day I saw it snap at its owner when the owner tried to drag it away from someone. Untrained dogs and piss-poor owners are the problem, not the breed.