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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

The show is not ER. ER does not have a lock on all future shows about emergency rooms. That’s incredibly obnoxious. Noah Wylie is allowed to act in other roles that are not specifically as “Dr Carter,” even if those roles involve playing an ER physician. That is so horribly grasping and ungenerous. The younger generations don’t know what ER is and could not give a crap about it. And people my age have seen a number of shows about hospitals. This really makes me mad.

I liked ER and I love The Pitt. The acting is great, all the characters are a terrific spectrum, and the cases are realistic and all over the place. I really look forward to the new episode each week.

PP here. I agree with you, but just trying to frame one of the reasons *why* the Pitt is unlikely to do a storyline like having the prisoner attack the new nurse. The Pitt was conceived to be a certain kind of show, and specifically they needed it to be distinct from ER in key ways, and one of those ways is avoiding some of the soapier plot lines you might have seen on ER. When they created the show bible for the Pitt, they were careful to give it unique DNA that is distinct from the Dr. Carter spinoff they were originally planning. Like literally they sat down and were like "what is a different approach to a show about an emergency department, since we can't do the ER reboot show?" Thus: highly realistic, drama comes from the medicine more than the relationships, emphasis on what it's like to do this work post-Covid, plus obviously the "real time" format covering just one shift.

Anonymous wrote:What I appreciated most about this latest episode is that it was a love letter to all the nurses. The focus was on them and all the ways they give care and attention and how they manage loss. The doctors are the stars, but this episode had more scenes just one on one with the nurses and how they comfort their patients. Even in death, the way Dana was teaching the new nurse how to clean and prepare Louie’s body was so respectful and kind.

+1. Very well put!

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

The show is not ER. ER does not have a lock on all future shows about emergency rooms. That’s incredibly obnoxious. Noah Wylie is allowed to act in other roles that are not specifically as “Dr Carter,” even if those roles involve playing an ER physician. That is so horribly grasping and ungenerous. The younger generations don’t know what ER is and could not give a crap about it. And people my age have seen a number of shows about hospitals. This really makes me mad.

I liked ER and I love The Pitt. The acting is great, all the characters are a terrific spectrum, and the cases are realistic and all over the place. I really look forward to the new episode each week.

The issue is that The Pitt creators tried to get rights for an ER spinoff about John Carter, but negotiations fell through. I think the estate doesn't have a leg to stand on, since the creators did an excellent job of creating a new and distinct show. There really is no resemblance to ER imo.

Overview:Contractual Disputes and "Frozen Rights": The Crichton estate holds "frozen rights" to ER, meaning any sequels, remakes, or spin-offs require their approval. Reports indicate that negotiations stalled over financial terms, potential licensing, and credit.
"Surgically Scrubbed" from the Project: The lawsuit alleges that after negotiations failed, the creative team, including Wyle and Wells, proceeded to create The Pitt—a medical drama with a similar team, setting, and tone—without the estate's involvement or consent.
Desire for Proper Credit/Recognition: The Crichton estate reportedly felt that earlier proposals did not adequately honor Crichton's legacy, specifically regarding the "created by" credit and a $5 million guarantee, leading to a breakdown in trust.
"ER" vs. "The Pitt": The estate argues that The Pitt is essentially an "unauthorized reboot" of ER (calling it ER under a different name). The defendants contend that The Pitt is a wholly original, distinct series.

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Anonymous wrote:Where is Kiara? And also Matteo, the hot nurse? Zero mention of Robbie’s “son.” And where is the hospital admin that used to come down and get into it with Robbie? This season is lacking.

The show runners have said that Matteo will be returning this season, but later in the season (I think the actor had a scheduling conflict so his character had to be written in a different way to accommodate).

As for Kiara, Dana mentions early in the season that she is off for the weekend, which is why they have another social worker working with the team. But unlike Dr. Collins (who is mentioned as having moved to Oregon and adopting a baby, by Whitaker) the implication is that Kiara is simply not working the shift we are seeing this year, and she could come back for another season. She hasn't been written off the show. Perhaps that actress also had a conflict. The Pitt is something of an anomaly among streaming shows these days, releasing a full 16-episode season each year, requiring the cast to come back and start filming the next season just a couple months after wrapping promotion for the prior one. Most streamers have shorter seasons and a longer hiatus between seasons, which allows for actors and writers to take on projects in between. The Pitt works more like a traditional broadcast network show.

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Given the holiday weekend and the closure at Westfield we may see people called in to help later. That would make sense with how the day is unfolding so far.

I cried when they gathered around Louis and Rabi told his story. I also thought that Dana washing him and talking about if being the last thing they will ever do for him also hit hard. That was a beautiful, subtle scene.

Anonymous wrote:Where is Kiara? And also Matteo, the hot nurse? Zero mention of Robbie’s “son.” And where is the hospital admin that used to come down and get into it with Robbie? This season is lacking.

The show runners have said that Matteo will be returning this season, but later in the season (I think the actor had a scheduling conflict so his character had to be written in a different way to accommodate).

As for Kiara, Dana mentions early in the season that she is off for the weekend, which is why they have another social worker working with the team. But unlike Dr. Collins (who is mentioned as having moved to Oregon and adopting a baby, by Whitaker) the implication is that Kiara is simply not working the shift we are seeing this year, and she could come back for another season. She hasn't been written off the show. Perhaps that actress also had a conflict. The Pitt is something of an anomaly among streaming shows these days, releasing a full 16-episode season each year, requiring the cast to come back and start filming the next season just a couple months after wrapping promotion for the prior one. Most streamers have shorter seasons and a longer hiatus between seasons, which allows for actors and writers to take on projects in between. The Pitt works more like a traditional broadcast network show.

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Anonymous wrote:what's up with the woman in hospice? I don't understand the relationship with her husband. do they like each other? does she feel bad that he has to deal with her?

I think she wants to end it/her life. She seems ready to go. They gave her that super powerful oxy pill because they thought she was being discharged and would need a bridge until her morphine drip machine was delivered to her house. She may be trying to OD on purpose. Heart breaking.

I'm not sure she isn't just going to ask to go into a residential hospice rather than hospice at home. I think she's realizing she's more comfortable having nurses care for her than her family because of the professional boundaries.

In think there is something else there. She doesn’t seem to like her husband very much.

+1 could he be abusive?

I really hope this isn't the story line they go with. Unfortunately, I've taken care of many patients like her. Yes, sometimes abuse is present. But to me, it seems more like the guilt I've seen a lot of patients have. She hates that she's become someone he has to take care of. She hates that she's lost so much of her autonomy (being unable to use the bathroom or get off the commode). She hates that her kids have not just seen the life go out of her, but also her husband. She also may not necessarily want him there/the kids there/ be at home when she reaches that point of her disease.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

The show is not ER. ER does not have a lock on all future shows about emergency rooms. That’s incredibly obnoxious. Noah Wylie is allowed to act in other roles that are not specifically as “Dr Carter,” even if those roles involve playing an ER physician. That is so horribly grasping and ungenerous. The younger generations don’t know what ER is and could not give a crap about it. And people my age have seen a number of shows about hospitals. This really makes me mad.

I liked ER and I love The Pitt. The acting is great, all the characters are a terrific spectrum, and the cases are realistic and all over the place. I really look forward to the new episode each week.

Anonymous wrote:Where is Kiara? And also Matteo, the hot nurse? Zero mention of Robbie’s “son.” And where is the hospital admin that used to come down and get into it with Robbie? This season is lacking.

Gloria -- the hospital admin -- has been mentioned a few times. She sent the donuts (Dana called them "blood donuts") and it's been suggested that the new attending is her plant.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

His estate wanted an outrageous amount for a Carter sequel. I’m sure they’re pissed to be missing out on the success of The Pitt. Hospital based shows , whether more realistic or less, all have a lot in common. His estate is going to lose because you could pick any young doctor and he could evolve into Rabi. There is nothing unique in him that is Carter. You could characterize plenty of the storylines we’ve already seen as melodramatic. ERs are a mix of the mundane (fecal impaction) and the dramatic (remember last year’s organ donation plotline?).

I can see the hospice patient story going either way. Maybe she is wracked with guilt, and tired of trying to put on a happier face for her husband and family. I also felt like there were subtle signs of fear. Women with chronic illness are at great risk of abandonment and abuse. The Pitt might be telling that story. I think one of the things the Pitt does really well is give us the eyes of the staff as evaluators. There’s less lionization and more willingness to let us see them as fallible and uncertain at times. Maybe they want us to be a bit unsure about this patient.

There is a difference between the organ donation plot line (where parents of a 19 year old were forced to come to grips with the fact that their son who had been perfectly healthy the day before was now brain dead and a potential donor, within a matter of hours) and a theoretical plot line where a prisoner-patient escapes his cuffs and attacks a young nurse on her very first day of work. Both are dramatic, but one is about the internal, emotional drama of grief and loss featuring characters who feel like people you know in real life, and the other has a ripped-from-the-headlines, true crime vibe that is more about titilating viewers with two-dimensional characters whose connection to others in the main cast is limited at best.

The Pitt does a lot of the former and little to no of the latter, IMO.

Where is Kiara? And also Matteo, the hot nurse? Zero mention of Robbie’s “son.” And where is the hospital admin that used to come down and get into it with Robbie? This season is lacking.

What I appreciated most about this latest episode is that it was a love letter to all the nurses. The focus was on them and all the ways they give care and attention and how they manage loss. The doctors are the stars, but this episode had more scenes just one on one with the nurses and how they comfort their patients. Even in death, the way Dana was teaching the new nurse how to clean and prepare Louie’s body was so respectful and kind.

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Anonymous wrote:what's up with the woman in hospice? I don't understand the relationship with her husband. do they like each other? does she feel bad that he has to deal with her?

I think she wants to end it/her life. She seems ready to go. They gave her that super powerful oxy pill because they thought she was being discharged and would need a bridge until her morphine drip machine was delivered to her house. She may be trying to OD on purpose. Heart breaking.

I'm not sure she isn't just going to ask to go into a residential hospice rather than hospice at home. I think she's realizing she's more comfortable having nurses care for her than her family because of the professional boundaries.

In think there is something else there. She doesn’t seem to like her husband very much.

+1 could he be abusive?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

His estate wanted an outrageous amount for a Carter sequel. I’m sure they’re pissed to be missing out on the success of The Pitt. Hospital based shows , whether more realistic or less, all have a lot in common. His estate is going to lose because you could pick any young doctor and he could evolve into Rabi. There is nothing unique in him that is Carter. You could characterize plenty of the storylines we’ve already seen as melodramatic. ERs are a mix of the mundane (fecal impaction) and the dramatic (remember last year’s organ donation plotline?).

I can see the hospice patient story going either way. Maybe she is wracked with guilt, and tired of trying to put on a happier face for her husband and family. I also felt like there were subtle signs of fear. Women with chronic illness are at great risk of abandonment and abuse. The Pitt might be telling that story. I think one of the things the Pitt does really well is give us the eyes of the staff as evaluators. There’s less lionization and more willingness to let us see them as fallible and uncertain at times. Maybe they want us to be a bit unsure about this patient.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.

Yes, I do. If you listen or read interviews with the creators of the show, you understand they are really seeking to show a realistic portrayal of what it's like to work in a healthcare environment like this post-Covid. Also, for legal reasons, they need to distinguish the show from ER (which was more realistic than other medical shows of the era but still pretty soapy and featured plot lines like a nurse from the ED winding up there after a suicide attempt and lots of dramatic romantic entanglements). The shows creators, including Noah Wyle, are being sued by Michael Crichton's estate on the theory that the Pitt is an ER reboot which Crichton's widow refused to okay. So they have a very good reason to avoid going in a more soapy, melodramatic direction -- it helps them show that the DNA of the show is distinct from ER and therefore not an IP violation.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like they’re foreshadowing something is going to happen to Robbi when he leaves for sabbatical like they’re going to have an incoming for a motorcycle accident and it’s going to be him, but then he wouldn’t have a main role in the next season so maybe I’m reading too much into it.

I think something bad is going to happen to the young nurse… maybe the prisoner escapes and gets to her.

It's not that kind of show. It's not Law & Order or some true crime melodrama.

You don't know that.