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Anonymous wrote:But holds on, the VRSC 2009 only lost to VDA 3-1 earlier this year!

Actually we had two closer games with two better teams in the past month. So we don’t really care about that result. By all means keep being full of yourself.

VRSC still a farce program. Congrats on your last championship cup.

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Anonymous wrote:But holds on, the VRSC 2009 only lost to VDA 3-1 earlier this year!

Actually we had two closer games with two better teams in the past month. So we don’t really care about that result. By all means keep being full of yourself.

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- The d1 vs d3 thing was all 😳

- This is a soccer thread & why we all come here. What this sub forum is not is one discussing education.

- With that said if you are playing at Arlington, Bethesda, Fairfax Union, MD United, NVA, Richmond United, VDA or VRSC it’s your goal & dream to play d1. Anything beneath that soccer wise is a bust. Players playing & spending less on ECNL RL, EDP, GA Aspire or NCSL are making d3 rosters without spending as much & traveling.

- One doesn’t get treated the same playing d1 as they d2 or d3.

- Strictly talking soccer and not academics.

Sorry but you strike me as Al Bundy/Uncle Rico type. Sports is life. Der.

Some of us are looking to optimize sports and academics. I also seriously doubt you actually know much about D3, but why would you I guess. Wash U roster is loaded. GA and ECNL members that could have played almost anywhere. One was on the Canadian National team for u17. But you wouldn't have a clue about that.

I dont get why people get so hung up on D1. A third of freshmen girls entered the portal. Want to guess how many did in D3?

But you enjoy the job prospects of a Coppin State or Arkansas Pine Bluff degree while the Canadian National Team member majors in data science at Wash U 🤣

As Judge Smails so appropriately put it, the world needs ditch diggers too.............

4 years vs 40 my friends.........

this is a soccer forum dummy. You are just deflecting. If your kid is smart enough to get into a academic school they are obviously going there for education and soccer is a bonus. Sorry D3 soccer isnt an accomplishment or flex. And likely you are paying for that expensive education.

??? You don't think playing D3 college soccer is an accomplishment? This is an absolutely asinine take.

d3 is absolutely an accomplishment

no its not. Anyone with club experience can make a D3 team somewhere in the country. But same poster keeps making this about academics. At that point its not about soccer its about education. So i would expect you are picking schools based off and not basing it off where you can play meaningless D3 soccer.

I would argue that all soccer levels are meaningless if they dont somehow funnel into playing professionally.

From there I would argue that playing professionally for a league with salary caps (like mls + nwsl) is meaningless.

You don’t see any benefit to playing college sports?

They are replying to the post earlier where PP said anything outside of D1 is meaningless. Whether D1, DII, DIII, it all means the students have a great work ethic if and only if they graduate with good grades. A kid who graduates from Washington and Lee with a 4.0 while playing soccer is going to get into a Ivy League graduate school over the kid from Syracuse with a 3.0. Law School and Med School don't care about soccer accomplishments. They care about the Academic level of the school and the GPA only.

On a soccer level however, all of it doesn't mean anything unless going to Pro level, which is your highly successful D1 players, meaning All-Conference and All-American. On that level, you are a talking a maximum of maybe five players per age group from the entire DMV including Baltimore and Richmond that make the cut. Perhaps those 5 can play in NWSL or over seas and make minimum pay. I think that is roughly a fair number based on the current Freshman, maybe a couple more. One could argue anything outside that is "meaningless" soccer. I mean really think about that. Just because your kid plays for VDA does not mean your kid is one of the top 10 in VA, MD, DE, and WV. If your child is on the USYNT, than sure, but what, we have 4 or four of them at most, and not all at the same camps. Your DD is not Trinity Rodman, Rose Lavelle, Sophia Smith, etc. On top of that the players I just mentioned are from different age groups.

Look, to be clear, I get P4. Have no gripes with P4. Most P4s have high Academic standards. Getting the percs that come along with it. I get it. But your standard Towson, UMBC, Duquesne, and many many mid-majors that are not well known for Academics, that is what I am talking about vs. the DIII Johns Hopkins type schools vs the previously mentioned D1 schools.

Accomplishment in my POV- Duke, Stanford, FSU, and almost all P4s...however, some players are going to learn the hard way that they did not belong on this level and end up transferring to mediocre mid majors. Their parents were P4 or bust, ignoring what really mattered. These are usually players that don't start on good ECNL teams and are recruited for just being on that good ECNL team, surrounded by players that make them look better than what they are. Meanwhile, schools like VT recruit them, put them through hell where they end up quitting all together or transferring. Now, on the brightside, it is an accomplishment as they got into to VT for soccer and benefit from the VT Academics moving forward.

No legs to stand on, putting DIII players and families down - Any D1s accepting more than 50% of its applicants including Big East Schools like St. John's and Seton Hall. Your kid is not special. Schools like these are not even in the same discussion as Johns Hopkins. The top players at WashU or Emory could just as easily play in the Big East if they wanted to. I've seen so many coach interviews saying exactly that over the years. Top DIIIs can compete with mid majors day in and day out. If you are a parent trying to justify a mid major D1 experience over top of an Ivy level education, your priorities are wrong. if your kid doesn't have perfect grades or maybe not as intelligent as others, than going to a Towson or Seton Hall might make sense. Also, if your college tuition is mostly paid for, 100% nothing wrong about going to one of those mid major schools. In the end however, a player going to a Johns Hopkins and playing soccer is going to have a MAJOR advantage over a player coming out of Appalachian State or Butler University. Don't hate the player, hate the complete well rounded athletic and academic game.

That is patently false about law/med school btw. Source all the D1 former athletes my wife works with/interviews yearly. They were absolutely aided by their college soccer in addition to their other academic achievements.

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Anonymous wrote:When it comes to college commits you all give waaaay too much credit and blame to the coaches and the club.

The coaches and clubs who can bring in the best talent at the HS age groups has the best commits. There is no magic.

VDA 2008/2009 teams with BP have some stellar commits. But if all those players had moved to VRSC before committing, they would still have landed at the same P4/D1’s under CC .

Are you really sure about that? Yeah, the players talent will carry them pretty far but some of it is still related to coaches and their connections. You are probably right that the USYNT players and a few other top players could probably play anywhere, maybe, and still attract the same level of offers. But where it does make a difference is with some of those fringe players - connections and relationships do make a difference. It's no different than the professional world - it's a lot of who you know.

BTW, this may add fuel to the whole D1 or bust, ride the bench mentality that appears on these threads.

And, to make sure that I contribute to the original thread topic, Hell yeah, the weather was much nicer in CA than it was in KC when I was freezing my buns off watching a whole lot of kind of meaningless soccer with my DDs U17 team that is pretty much all committed. Good Luck!

Club coach connection may get them some more opportunities for looks but it is not getting a college coach to take a fringe player. 1) The club coach is not going to push something that isn’t there because it would kill their credibility with colleges and 2) College coaches make their own judgements while watching them play.

Most of the work for recruiting is done by the players themselves, sending highlight film, showcase schedules, follow ups, phone calls. Coach connections do less than you think.

Mistake was the use of fringe player. How use the term solid starter instead? I agree the club coach doesn't want to push players that are going to flame out. That fact would negatively impact their reputation and the club's as well. Having gone through this recently with my DD, I agree that the vast majority of the work is done by the player - all of what is mentioned above. However, I do believe that club coach relationships with college coaches matter. Having a coach (or Technical Director, Director of Coaching) that is respected and known helps. College coaches trust their opinion and are willing to listen to what they have to say about players in their club. And that, I agree, is built on making solid recommendations in the past and not sending them players that aren't capable.

Another excuse, you seem upset now that you don’t play for BP. Just like not being good enough for D1, many not good enough for BP. He would take your money as a practice player though!

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- The d1 vs d3 thing was all 😳

- This is a soccer thread & why we all come here. What this sub forum is not is one discussing education.

- With that said if you are playing at Arlington, Bethesda, Fairfax Union, MD United, NVA, Richmond United, VDA or VRSC it’s your goal & dream to play d1. Anything beneath that soccer wise is a bust. Players playing & spending less on ECNL RL, EDP, GA Aspire or NCSL are making d3 rosters without spending as much & traveling.

- One doesn’t get treated the same playing d1 as they d2 or d3.

- Strictly talking soccer and not academics.

Sorry but you strike me as Al Bundy/Uncle Rico type. Sports is life. Der.

Some of us are looking to optimize sports and academics. I also seriously doubt you actually know much about D3, but why would you I guess. Wash U roster is loaded. GA and ECNL members that could have played almost anywhere. One was on the Canadian National team for u17. But you wouldn't have a clue about that.

I dont get why people get so hung up on D1. A third of freshmen girls entered the portal. Want to guess how many did in D3?

But you enjoy the job prospects of a Coppin State or Arkansas Pine Bluff degree while the Canadian National Team member majors in data science at Wash U 🤣

As Judge Smails so appropriately put it, the world needs ditch diggers too.............

4 years vs 40 my friends.........

this is a soccer forum dummy. You are just deflecting. If your kid is smart enough to get into a academic school they are obviously going there for education and soccer is a bonus. Sorry D3 soccer isnt an accomplishment or flex. And likely you are paying for that expensive education.

??? You don't think playing D3 college soccer is an accomplishment? This is an absolutely asinine take.

d3 is absolutely an accomplishment

no its not. Anyone with club experience can make a D3 team somewhere in the country. But same poster keeps making this about academics. At that point its not about soccer its about education. So i would expect you are picking schools based off and not basing it off where you can play meaningless D3 soccer.

I would argue that all soccer levels are meaningless if they dont somehow funnel into playing professionally.

From there I would argue that playing professionally for a league with salary caps (like mls + nwsl) is meaningless.

You don’t see any benefit to playing college sports?

They are replying to the post earlier where PP said anything outside of D1 is meaningless. Whether D1, DII, DIII, it all means the students have a great work ethic if and only if they graduate with good grades. A kid who graduates from Washington and Lee with a 4.0 while playing soccer is going to get into a Ivy League graduate school over the kid from Syracuse with a 3.0. Law School and Med School don't care about soccer accomplishments. They care about the Academic level of the school and the GPA only.

On a soccer level however, all of it doesn't mean anything unless going to Pro level, which is your highly successful D1 players, meaning All-Conference and All-American. On that level, you are a talking a maximum of maybe five players per age group from the entire DMV including Baltimore and Richmond that make the cut. Perhaps those 5 can play in NWSL or over seas and make minimum pay. I think that is roughly a fair number based on the current Freshman, maybe a couple more. One could argue anything outside that is "meaningless" soccer. I mean really think about that. Just because your kid plays for VDA does not mean your kid is one of the top 10 in VA, MD, DE, and WV. If your child is on the USYNT, than sure, but what, we have 4 or four of them at most, and not all at the same camps. Your DD is not Trinity Rodman, Rose Lavelle, Sophia Smith, etc. On top of that the players I just mentioned are from different age groups.

Look, to be clear, I get P4. Have no gripes with P4. Most P4s have high Academic standards. Getting the percs that come along with it. I get it. But your standard Towson, UMBC, Duquesne, and many many mid-majors that are not well known for Academics, that is what I am talking about vs. the DIII Johns Hopkins type schools vs the previously mentioned D1 schools.

Accomplishment in my POV- Duke, Stanford, FSU, and almost all P4s...however, some players are going to learn the hard way that they did not belong on this level and end up transferring to mediocre mid majors. Their parents were P4 or bust, ignoring what really mattered. These are usually players that don't start on good ECNL teams and are recruited for just being on that good ECNL team, surrounded by players that make them look better than what they are. Meanwhile, schools like VT recruit them, put them through hell where they end up quitting all together or transferring. Now, on the brightside, it is an accomplishment as they got into to VT for soccer and benefit from the VT Academics moving forward.

No legs to stand on, putting DIII players and families down - Any D1s accepting more than 50% of its applicants including Big East Schools like St. John's and Seton Hall. Your kid is not special. Schools like these are not even in the same discussion as Johns Hopkins. The top players at WashU or Emory could just as easily play in the Big East if they wanted to. I've seen so many coach interviews saying exactly that over the years. Top DIIIs can compete with mid majors day in and day out. If you are a parent trying to justify a mid major D1 experience over top of an Ivy level education, your priorities are wrong. if your kid doesn't have perfect grades or maybe not as intelligent as others, than going to a Towson or Seton Hall might make sense. Also, if your college tuition is mostly paid for, 100% nothing wrong about going to one of those mid major schools. In the end however, a player going to a Johns Hopkins and playing soccer is going to have a MAJOR advantage over a player coming out of Appalachian State or Butler University. Don't hate the player, hate the complete well rounded athletic and academic game.

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Anonymous wrote:When it comes to college commits you all give waaaay too much credit and blame to the coaches and the club.

The coaches and clubs who can bring in the best talent at the HS age groups has the best commits. There is no magic.

VDA 2008/2009 teams with BP have some stellar commits. But if all those players had moved to VRSC before committing, they would still have landed at the same P4/D1’s under CC .

Are you really sure about that? Yeah, the players talent will carry them pretty far but some of it is still related to coaches and their connections. You are probably right that the USYNT players and a few other top players could probably play anywhere, maybe, and still attract the same level of offers. But where it does make a difference is with some of those fringe players - connections and relationships do make a difference. It's no different than the professional world - it's a lot of who you know.

BTW, this may add fuel to the whole D1 or bust, ride the bench mentality that appears on these threads.

And, to make sure that I contribute to the original thread topic, Hell yeah, the weather was much nicer in CA than it was in KC when I was freezing my buns off watching a whole lot of kind of meaningless soccer with my DDs U17 team that is pretty much all committed. Good Luck!

Club coach connection may get them some more opportunities for looks but it is not getting a college coach to take a fringe player. 1) The club coach is not going to push something that isn’t there because it would kill their credibility with colleges and 2) College coaches make their own judgements while watching them play.

Most of the work for recruiting is done by the players themselves, sending highlight film, showcase schedules, follow ups, phone calls. Coach connections do less than you think.

Mistake was the use of fringe player. How use the term solid starter instead? I agree the club coach doesn't want to push players that are going to flame out. That fact would negatively impact their reputation and the club's as well. Having gone through this recently with my DD, I agree that the vast majority of the work is done by the player - all of what is mentioned above. However, I do believe that club coach relationships with college coaches matter. Having a coach (or Technical Director, Director of Coaching) that is respected and known helps. College coaches trust their opinion and are willing to listen to what they have to say about players in their club. And that, I agree, is built on making solid recommendations in the past and not sendiing them players that aren't capable.

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Anonymous wrote:When it comes to college commits you all give waaaay too much credit and blame to the coaches and the club.

The coaches and clubs who can bring in the best talent at the HS age groups has the best commits. There is no magic.

VDA 2008/2009 teams with BP have some stellar commits. But if all those players had moved to VRSC before committing, they would still have landed at the same P4/D1’s under CC .

Are you really sure about that? Yeah, the players talent will carry them pretty far but some of it is still related to coaches and their connections. You are probably right that the USYNT players and a few other top players could probably play anywhere, maybe, and still attract the same level of offers. But where it does make a difference is with some of those fringe players - connections and relationships do make a difference. It's no different than the professional world - it's a lot of who you know.

BTW, this may add fuel to the whole D1 or bust, ride the bench mentality that appears on these threads.

And, to make sure that I contribute to the original thread topic, Hell yeah, the weather was much nicer in CA than it was in KC when I was freezing my buns off watching a whole lot of kind of meaningless soccer with my DDs U17 team that is pretty much all committed. Good Luck!

Club coach connection may get them some more opportunities for looks but it is not getting a college coach to take a fringe player. 1) The club coach is not going to push something that isn’t there because it would kill their credibility with colleges and 2) College coaches make their own judgements while watching them play.

Most of the work for recruiting is done by the players themselves, sending highlight film, showcase schedules, follow ups, phone calls. Coach connections do less than you think.

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Anonymous wrote:SYC won their showcase

At what age and what Group were they in? GA showcases are not random, they rank/seed them ... the higher group in the showcase the better the teams ... Some of those teams are still eligible to get the final 4 spots in Champions Cup as a wildcard.

It's a joke. SYC was at NCFC

What's a joke is that VRSC has only won 1 game out in CA so far

Final tally VRSC was 1-15-2 in Champions Cup over all age groups. Not a great showing for the area’s so called premier club.

I think you gave them too much credit, I think they only had 1 tie, not 2

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Anonymous wrote:Man, how about that 2025 Girls Academy Winter Showcase, huh? WHAT A TIME WAS HAD!

I was just going to say. We had a really good experience and are looking forward to getting back out there in June. Anyway, back to insecure ECNL dad vicariously living through his daughter...

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- The d1 vs d3 thing was all 😳

- This is a soccer thread & why we all come here. What this sub forum is not is one discussing education.

- With that said if you are playing at Arlington, Bethesda, Fairfax Union, MD United, NVA, Richmond United, VDA or VRSC it’s your goal & dream to play d1. Anything beneath that soccer wise is a bust. Players playing & spending less on ECNL RL, EDP, GA Aspire or NCSL are making d3 rosters without spending as much & traveling.

- One doesn’t get treated the same playing d1 as they d2 or d3.

- Strictly talking soccer and not academics.

Sorry but you strike me as Al Bundy/Uncle Rico type. Sports is life. Der.

Some of us are looking to optimize sports and academics. I also seriously doubt you actually know much about D3, but why would you I guess. Wash U roster is loaded. GA and ECNL members that could have played almost anywhere. One was on the Canadian National team for u17. But you wouldn't have a clue about that.

I dont get why people get so hung up on D1. A third of freshmen girls entered the portal. Want to guess how many did in D3?

But you enjoy the job prospects of a Coppin State or Arkansas Pine Bluff degree while the Canadian National Team member majors in data science at Wash U 🤣

As Judge Smails so appropriately put it, the world needs ditch diggers too.............

4 years vs 40 my friends.........

this is a soccer forum dummy. You are just deflecting. If your kid is smart enough to get into a academic school they are obviously going there for education and soccer is a bonus. Sorry D3 soccer isnt an accomplishment or flex. And likely you are paying for that expensive education.

??? You don't think playing D3 college soccer is an accomplishment? This is an absolutely asinine take.

d3 is absolutely an accomplishment

no it’s not. Anyone with club experience can make a D3 team somewhere in the country. But same poster keeps making this about academics. At that point it’s not about soccer it’s about education. So i would expect you are picking schools based off and not basing it off where you can play meaningless D3 soccer.

Correct. It’s one poster over and over again, while many chime in on how in the eyes of the world d3 is a failure for sports.

It’s obvious their DD is a 2026 or 2027 with no Division 1 offers so they are trying to make this about academics. Surprised we haven’t heard the other common excuses, she wants a small school or she wants to stay close to home.

They can’t grasp that as far as soccer goes their DD failed them. All the time and money spent on club soccer for nothing. The poster obviously has anger at this and is trying to cope.

We get it she is very smart but if she was that good at soccer she would be committed to an Ivy, if your true belief was academics first!

I'm not sure if you're trolling or not? If not, D1 is a failure as well if the player doesn't go on to play professionally, in the Olympics, or the World Cup. All that money for it to come to an end in four short years, then she's no different than any other college grad.

Money awarded to DI athlete > money awarded to DIII athlete

If money is an issue, I can see the appeal. If a family has money saved for an Academic school, than that is a weak arguement. Johns Hopkins > Florida Gulf Coast. By 1000 miles. I'm paying the difference.