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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

These morons calling themselves ICE are doing none of these things.

ICE agents wear badges. In every video I’ve seen, they either have those badges visible from the beginning or make it visible at the time of approaching the arrestee. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

Look up the video of the Tufts student arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

These morons calling themselves ICE are doing none of these things.

ICE agents wear badges. In every video I’ve seen, they either have those badges visible from the beginning or make it visible at the time of approaching the arrestee. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

Look up the video of the Tufts student arrest.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

Check the 0:37 mark in your video where the undercover agent pulls his badge on a chain out from under his sweatshirt. That’s IDENTIFYING who is arresting her.

Any other videos?

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Anonymous wrote:ICE ran a civilian over in a vehicle. the eye witness accounts are horrifying.

https://bsky.app/profile/lorennacleary.bsky.social/post/3lr23lhlgg22i

That is Darwin at work. If you decide to play chicken with a vehicle on the road, be prepared to lose.

What’s it worth to the “loser”? The Babbit family is getting $4.9 million.

And this running over incident by ICE is on video. A bunch of Proud Boy cowards seem to be running things.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

Can you post a photo where an ICE officer isn't wearing a badge? I have not seen this.

Why are MAGA so blind? There have literally been video after video of this.

Can you please share one?

Sure, here you go. Men in sweatshirts “arresting” a student at Tufts. I’m sure your the pp re warrants. So, women are supposed to go with randos who have no badges or paperwork? This is far from only one. Are you seriously justifying this, especially with the link a few pages back if guys now posing as ICE agents for racist funsies?!?!

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Anonymous wrote:ICE ran a civilian over in a vehicle. the eye witness accounts are horrifying.

https://bsky.app/profile/lorennacleary.bsky.social/post/3lr23lhlgg22i

That is Darwin at work. If you decide to play chicken with a vehicle on the road, be prepared to lose.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

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Anonymous wrote:ICE is going after the worst: gang members, violent domestic abusers, and human traffickers. If some illegal-border crossers get swept up in enforcement actions, that’s just how it goes.

They should have thought about that before sneaking into our country.

No, they aren't. They are going after kids, grandmothers, people with proper work visas, people working through the system legally etc. They haven't come close to doing what you are falsely suggesting. Not.Even.Close.

yup....and not showing their identification.

Are they even going after specific people who are known to be in the US illegally or are they raiding businesses in the hopes of catching someone? I have a problem with it if it’s the latter.

I haven’t read the whole thread, but what is their reasoning behind masking their faces and not showing ID? People impersonating police is not unheard of.

Democrats want to Doxx federal workers. You do understand that’s why ICE agents wear masks, right?

No. That’s why I asked the question.

Don’t people have a right to ask for an officer’s name and badge number?l if they have been stopped or are being arrested?

You can ask for whatever you want, but federal officers have no obligation to provide their name and badge number.

So you’re fine with people kidnapping people? Just go with anyone grabbing you?

I’m telling you what the law is. I’m not making a normative statement about it.

That’s fine, but that’s what people are resisting. The terror of it. It’s hard to understand the legality of four guys in sweatshirts, with no badge, face covered, no marked car, no warrant grabbing you on the street. If you don’t go, you’re “resisting arrest.” You’re basically telling people to ignore their instincts.

How do you know you’re not being abducted? How does it differ from human trafficking?

I don’t think they are all federal agents. Some of the vehicles don’t even have government plates. They have regular state plates.

That’s typical for federal law enforcement. My DH is a federal LEO and his work vehicle has plain Virginia plates. We don’t live in Virginia.

How would someone know he’s legit?

If he was out doing something (vs in the office) he’d be (God willing) wearing a plate carrier that says POLICE and his agency on it. Otherwise, he wears a badge on his hip, but it is covered by his shirt, which is required to conceal his firearm. He works for a plain clothes agency.

These morons calling themselves ICE are doing none of these things.

ICE agents wear badges. In every video I’ve seen, they either have those badges visible from the beginning or make it visible at the time of approaching the arrestee. If you have an example to the contrary, I’d be interested in seeing it.

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The conservative in me thinks addressing this issue (deporting them) would lead to higher wages and better benefits in the ag sector, which attracts more domestic workers to work in ag. It also would increase investment in mechanization and automation. There will be a time of higher costs increased food prices but when things settle, they should stabilize.

However, on a broader level, I find this entire situation absurd. The United States has become far too reliant on migrant labor, having half of the agricultural workforce undocumented. We need to ask ourselves why this is the case. It ain’t because this is "work Americans won't do". It's entirely because, for over 40 years, corporations have been allowed to exploit cheap imported labor, keeping wages for these jobs disgustingly low sometimes even below the federal minimum wage.

There are plenty of Americans who would be willing to do this work, but not for $12 an hour under the sweltering sun of Texas. Offer $30 an hour plus benefits to harvest lettuce, and you would see plenty of people lining up for those jobs. The problem lies in the fact that neither Democrats nor Republicans have taken meaningful action for decades. BOTH sides have allowed "big ag" to exploit these workers, paying pennies per box harvested perpetuating this cycle of exploitation, and doing so in such a way that if it were to ever dare end, suddenly panic, omg, our foods gonna rot and we're all gonna die of starvation because we cant afford food! They have caught you in this line of thinking, so they will always get their cheap, exploitive labor.

In my opinion, the widespread abuse of migrant labor over the past four decades is a shameful stain on this country. But, just like iPhones and Nike shoes, most people turn a blind eye to the unethical labor practices behind the products they want, so long as the price is low. Just look at OPs post: concerns about "rotting crops" and "skyrocketing prices", and not a single care about the exploitation of these workers. This has been ignored for decades and now that there's a policy threatens to send them home, we just get all up in arms because we might have to pay more.

It’s almost like saying that an economy can’t survive without illegal & low or no cost labor to farm the land. You know who else used that argument????

The Confederacy during the Civil War. Let that sink in.

Let's not "both sides" this. The democrats have supported workers rights and unionization....remember Ceasar Chavez and how he was crucified by republicans?

It is of course both sides. And the issue for Democrats is that Democratic voters, particularly the UMC voters that post here, love their quasi-slave labor agriculture.

Also, Cesar Chavez’s activism occurred before I was born and I have a kid in college now. If you have to go back to Cesar Chavez to mount such a weak partisan defense, you should know you’ve lost.

“Guys, we are sending masked unidentified Gestapo to kidnap people to HELP them. We are separating them from their families and sending them to foreign gulags FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! You guy just love strawberries so much that you won’t even support illegal abductions!!!”

I mean, it is extremely clear that you favor cheap agriculture over all else. Don’t get mad because people see the truth.

How about, let's improve working conditions and wages and also not have our government act as gestapos?

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how everyone loved Antifa in 1944 when we stormed the beaches. Now maga would be planting trees so that the Nazis could march in the shade.

lol, your understanding of history is so atrocious.

DP, not they are not wrong. What Trump and Miller represent is obvious. Look at the footage of Trump with the German president this week where he literally extolled sorrow for the fall of Hitler.

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Anonymous wrote:The chronically online have perpetuated a myth that law enforcement must produce a copy of an arrest warrant to any bystander who witnesses an arrest and that if law enforcement fails to do this, the arrest is illegal and the bystander is empowered to obstruct it. I have seen that myth repeated even on DCUM.

Law enforcement MUST have badges...a lot of these guys don't, or are not displaying them. That is a serious problem and hence why people are not complying, because they think they are being kidnapped.

There hasn’t been a single immigration arrest without a badge.

umm where did you get this data? Please let us know where we should look.

No one can identify a single instance of an arrest without a badge displayed.

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Anonymous wrote:We’ve seen videos of police going up to many people without showing any piece of paper. Bystanders are seeing this and demanding the papers to ensure the arrest is legal.

No law enforcement officer in any town, city, county or state that apprehends someone in a public space produces a warrant. None.

Bystanders certainly have no right to any of this information.