Anonymous wrote:Just ignore the trolls lying about "many other countries" they know nothing about. They are same ones who think their $300-$1M annual HHI is "middle class"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Algebra in 7th should not be called acceleration. It is the standard for many other countries.
Kids at that age can handle it, you don't need to be exceptionally gifted to learn algebra.
You do need to put in reasonable amount of effort though.
Well, according to the actual data, only 26% of 8th graders in the US are at (or above) grade level proficiency- meaning able to do math at a pre algebra level. So if you think the US is someone going to catch majority of kids up to be learning Alg I in 7th, that is some hilarious joke.
I think THIS is what so many of us are wanting as a reason to get into accelerated math. Regular math isn't being taught at grade level. And it can't be because so many kids need remedial math, but that would be like a social demotion for so many kids so schools can't do that.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Algebra in 7th should not be called acceleration. It is the standard for many other countries.
Kids at that age can handle it, you don't need to be exceptionally gifted to learn algebra.
You do need to put in reasonable amount of effort though.
Well, according to the actual data, only 26% of 8th graders in the US are at (or above) grade level proficiency- meaning able to do math at a pre algebra level. So if you think the US is someone going to catch majority of kids up to be learning Alg I in 7th, that is some hilarious joke.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.
Even if they save a penny, that's a penny that can be used towards bread and milk in college meals.
For AP Calculus BC, it's 3 or 4 credits of tuition savings depending on college.
On an average,
"Public 4-year institutions charge around $625 per credit hour for in-state students and $1,223 for out-of-state students, while private 4-year institutions average $1,527 per credit hour."
Students would need to change to part-time to pay by credit-hour. How many are realistically doing that? If they remain full-time for 4 years then they aren't saving anything.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
Anonymous wrote:All of this is caused by the insanity that is college admissions. Parents are afraid that if their kid isn't on the highest math track, their kid will have a much harder time with college admissions. So, this leads to parents pushing their kids into Algebra when the kids aren't ready. It also leads to parents wanting to restrict other kids from accelerating to make their kids look better in comparison.
If parents felt confident that high stats kids in 12th grade calculus would still have a good shot at UVA, VT, or W&M, there would be much less incentive to push their kids into a math track that isn't appropriate for the kid.
Anonymous wrote:Algebra in 7th should not be called acceleration. It is the standard for many other countries.
Kids at that age can handle it, you don't need to be exceptionally gifted to learn algebra.
You do need to put in reasonable amount of effort though.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
+1
IMO, anything beyond 1 year of acceleration (AKA algebra in 8th) should have a high bar of entry.
It did. You used to ahve to pass the SOL advanced and be in the 91st percentile on the IAAT to be considered for Algebra in 7th grade. This year they lowered the bar to passing advanced on the SOL only. That said, that still leaves a little more than 2,100 students eligible for Algebra in 7th grade, based on the last three school years SOL results. That is under half of the kids taking Advanced Math or in AAP. So about 10% of the 7th grade class is eligible to take Algebra. Given that the kids who do take Algebra in 7th grade all pass the SOL with a high percentage passing advanced, I would say that they have found a reasonable bar for entry.
Still way too many kids. It should be extremely rare. Or not offered at all.
Why are you so invested in holding back other people’s kids? So many kids thrive on the calculus in 11th or even in 20th grade path.
I’m not “invested”; we are all just throwing out opinions here.
Children would benefit from cutting off the arms race of math acceleration. Pick a reasonable amount of math to take before college and offer that. Otherwise we end up with the race to nowhere.
I’d say 1 year of calculus in HS is a good breaking point. Maybe 2 for truly exceptional kids.
Would children benefit from having their reading materials restricted to 2 years above grade level? If not, then why restrict math advancement? Why is math an “arms race,” when no one views English, music, and sports advancement as problematic?
One of my kids took AP Calc BC in 11th. One took it in 9th. Neither had any problems. Both were in exactly the correct level for them. Why should my kids be bored for a year or more just to make other kids look better?
Kids aren’t accelerating in English, science, etc by 2+ years.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.
Even if they save a penny, that's a penny that can be used towards bread and milk in college meals.
For AP Calculus BC, it's 3 or 4 credits of tuition savings depending on college.
On an average,
"Public 4-year institutions charge around $625 per credit hour for in-state students and $1,223 for out-of-state students, while private 4-year institutions average $1,527 per credit hour."
Anonymous wrote:All of this is caused by the insanity that is college admissions. Parents are afraid that if their kid isn't on the highest math track, their kid will have a much harder time with college admissions. So, this leads to parents pushing their kids into Algebra when the kids aren't ready. It also leads to parents wanting to restrict other kids from accelerating to make their kids look better in comparison.
If parents felt confident that high stats kids in 12th grade calculus would still have a good shot at UVA, VT, or W&M, there would be much less incentive to push their kids into a math track that isn't appropriate for the kid.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.
Even if they save a penny, that's a penny that can be used towards bread and milk in college meals.
For AP Calculus BC, it's 3 or 4 credits of tuition savings depending on college.
On an average,
"Public 4-year institutions charge around $625 per credit hour for in-state students and $1,223 for out-of-state students, while private 4-year institutions average $1,527 per credit hour."
Students would need to change to part-time to pay by credit-hour. How many are realistically doing that? If they remain full-time for 4 years then they aren't saving anything.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.
Even if they save a penny, that's a penny that can be used towards bread and milk in college meals.
For AP Calculus BC, it's 3 or 4 credits of tuition savings depending on college.
On an average,
"Public 4-year institutions charge around $625 per credit hour for in-state students and $1,223 for out-of-state students, while private 4-year institutions average $1,527 per credit hour."
Students would need to change to part-time to pay by credit-hour. How many are realistically doing that? If they remain full-time for 4 years then they aren't saving anything.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.
Even if they save a penny, that's a penny that can be used towards bread and milk in college meals.
For AP Calculus BC, it's 3 or 4 credits of tuition savings depending on college.
On an average,
"Public 4-year institutions charge around $625 per credit hour for in-state students and $1,223 for out-of-state students, while private 4-year institutions average $1,527 per credit hour."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, it’s the race to no where. Many students take Calculus 1 at universities—it’s still taught there.Anonymous wrote:I feel like I'm taking crazy pills and I'm not sure if I'm just caught up in the Northern Virginia mindset.
Our child scored well on both the Iowa and the SOL and their teacher recommends they take out for one next year in seventh grade. I'm sitting here wondering why?
I completely understand why it's beneficial for some maybe even the majority of kids to take calculus in their senior year. But how many kids are really going to benefit from taking 2 years of calculus?
So I guess my question is what's the point? Aside for taking an extra year of college math in high school, why do it?
So far I come up with it. Might look better on college applications, make college classes either easier or something you can get credit for while in HS.
I have this underlying fear that they are going to push anyone who scores well into algebra 1, so there are less kids in 7th grade honors. That allows for smaller classes and helps with the goal of Algebra for all by grade 8
But low-income families save money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school. It appears you have a problem with low-income families taking advantage of free public school resources?
Low income families aren’t going to pay for college anyway. The high achieving low income students (and not DC low income of only 200k) are getting a free ride at most colleges, but especially the competitive ones.
Exactly. Middle-income families save ton of money on college tuition by taking Calculus I and II in high school.
How much are they saving? Be specific.