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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Why don't you understand - it's not about whether he's a criminal or a good guy. The concern is the lack of due process. I feel like people don't understand what that means.

Without due process, there is literally nothing to stop this from happening to you. Piss the wrong person off, have the same name as a bad guy, get drunk and get the wrong tattoo, get lost and find yourself walking into the middle of a pro-Palestinian protest, whatever. ICE shows up and takes you into custody, and drags you straight to a plane headed for El Salvador.

Wait, you say, I'm an American citizen! I can prove it - here's my passport/birth certificate. Please, someone just look at them, and this will all be cleared up.

That's due process. Due process is what gives you the chance to be heard before being shipped to a gulag in El Salvador. If you have no right to due process, then the iCE agent arresting you has no obligation to look at your passport or check your birth certificate. They can just decide they don't believe you, or don't care, and off you go.

I have no idea is Abrego Garcia was a criminal. Frankly, neither do you. And the reason we don't know that is because he was denied due process. The Constitution guarantees due process for everyone. It doesn't say "due process, but only for the innocent." The whole "is he a gang member/wife beater/terrorist" question is absolutely irrelevant. He should not have been deported without due process. Full stop. If due process were given and he was found to be subject to deportation, I would not care at all

It is honestly baffling to me that anyone thinks this is ok. How you don't see the danger for YOU and people you love with this precedent.

This 1,000 times. Why aren’t people understanding this?

Because he had due process. He had a hearing, and lost. Appealed it, and lost. He had a removal order and was set to be deported. The only mistake was where he was sent. That mistake does not negate the due process he had.

I see no danger for the people I love because they’ve never had restraining orders filed against them, accused of being in a gang, or suspected of human trafficking.

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Why don't you understand - it's not about whether he's a criminal or a good guy. The concern is the lack of due process. I feel like people don't understand what that means.

Without due process, there is literally nothing to stop this from happening to you. Piss the wrong person off, have the same name as a bad guy, get drunk and get the wrong tattoo, get lost and find yourself walking into the middle of a pro-Palestinian protest, whatever. ICE shows up and takes you into custody, and drags you straight to a plane headed for El Salvador.

Wait, you say, I'm an American citizen! I can prove it - here's my passport/birth certificate. Please, someone just look at them, and this will all be cleared up.

That's due process. Due process is what gives you the chance to be heard before being shipped to a gulag in El Salvador. If you have no right to due process, then the iCE agent arresting you has no obligation to look at your passport or check your birth certificate. They can just decide they don't believe you, or don't care, and off you go.

I have no idea is Abrego Garcia was a criminal. Frankly, neither do you. And the reason we don't know that is because he was denied due process. The Constitution guarantees due process for everyone. It doesn't say "due process, but only for the innocent." The whole "is he a gang member/wife beater/terrorist" question is absolutely irrelevant. He should not have been deported without due process. Full stop. If due process were given and he was found to be subject to deportation, I would not care at all

It is honestly baffling to me that anyone thinks this is ok. How you don't see the danger for YOU and people you love with this precedent.

This 1,000 times. Why aren’t people understanding this?

Democrats on the wrong side of an issue. Again.

Wow
@TheTNStar
just broke a huge story. You know the illegal immigrant that Democrats are trying to free from an El Salvador prison?

In 2022, he was stopped driving without a license and Tennessee Highway Patrol suspected him of trafficking the 7 people inside. THP then learned he was on a terrorist watch list so they called Biden’s FBI but Biden’s FBI told THP to RELEASE HIM.

Kilmar Abrego Garcia was then released due to the Biden FBI order and the THP concerns about trafficking were ignored by the government.

This is on top of a court + Maryland Police finding that they believe he was in MS-13 and his wife reporting that he beat her when filing for a protective order. This is who Democrats want in our country. This is who they’re fighting for. Evil!

Link to full story: https://tennesseestar.com/justice/bidens-fbi-ordered-tn-highway-patrol-to-release-maryland-man-recently-deported-to-el-salvador-after-he-was-detained-in-2022-traffic-stop-on-suspicion-of-human-trafficking/tpappert/2025/04/16/

Incredible scoop by
@realTomPappert
and the
@thetnstar
team
@michaelpleahy
!

So Garcia enters the U.S. unlawfully, spends three years beating his wife and endangering their infant child, and Van Holland is demanding his return . ..

- why, exactly??!?

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

If people don't want to click on the link it is the details of his arrest and the write up from the gang unit. What is telling is that there were four men there. They identify three men including Abrego as a gang members while the fourth is NOT identified as a gang member.

Prince George's County Police Department Gang Field Interview Sheet
On 03/28/2019 at approxi mately 1427 hours, Detective ~ ith the Hyattsville City Police observed four individuals loitering in the parking lot of the Home Depot located at 3301 East West Highway in Hyattsville, MD 20782. As Det. --approached the individuals, two of the individuals reached into their waistbands and discarded several unknown items under a parked vehicle.

All four individuals were stopped by Hyattsville officers. Det. --·immediately recognized Christhyan HERNANDEZ-ROMERO aka "Bimbo" as a member of the MS-13 Sailors Clique. Two small plastic bottles containing marijuana was located on scene. All four individuals were transported back to District I for interviews.
Member of the Prince George's County Gang Unit MS-13 Intelligence Squad have encounter Christhyan HERNANDEZ-ROMERO on multiple occasions. He has an extensive criminal history for multiple assault, concealing dangerous weapon, burglary and many other criminal offences. He has also been found guilty of gang participation in the Circuit Court for Prince George's County in December of 2018. Officers know HERNANDEZ-ROMERO to be an activeMS-1 3 gang member with the Sailor's Clique with the rank of"Observacion" and moniker of"Bimbo".

Officers also interview Jose Guillermo DOMINGUEZ. During the interview officers observed tattoos of skulfs covering their eyes, ears and mouth. Officers know these kind of tattoos are indicative of the Hispanic gang culture. The tattoos is meant to represent "ver, oir y calJar" or "see no evil, hear rio evil and say no evil". He also had a tattoo of a devil on his left leg which officers know only higher ranking MS-13 gang members are allow to get a tattoo with the horns. This represents power within MS-13. Officers made contact with a past proven and reliable source of information, who advised Jose Guillermo DOMINGUEZ is an active MS-13 gang member with the Sailor's clique, the rank of " Chequeo" with the moniker "Maniaco".

Officers then interviewed Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA. During the interview officers observed he was wearing a Chicago Bulls hat and a hoodie with rolls of money covering the eyes, ears and mouth of the presidents on the separate denominations. Officers know such clothing to be indicative of the Hispanic gang culture. The meaning of the clothing is to represent "ver, oir y callar" or "see no evil, hear- no evil and say no evil". Wearing the Chicago Bulls hat represents thay they are a member in good standing with the MS-13. Offic. ers contacted a past proven and reliable source of infonnation, who advised Kilmar Armando ABREGO-GARCIA is an active member of MS-13 with the Westerns clique. The confidential source further advised that he is the rank of "Chequeo" with the moniker of "Chele".

Officers interview Jasson Josue RAMIREZ-HERRERA. During the interview officers were unable to determine his gang affiliation. Officers know MS-13 gang members are only allowed to hang around other members or prospects for the gang. Officers will continue to monitor Jasson Josue, RAMIREZ- HERRERA for further gang activity. He was sent on his way without further incident

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

SCOTUS told the gubmint to facilitate the man's return to the USA. That has not happened. The government is in violation of a SCOTUS order.

Wrong. SCOTUS told the judge to clarify her order especially in terms of “effectuate” with respect for the executive branch. She still hasn’t done so. SCOTUS never mandated a return of Garcia to the US. It mandated “facilitate” a release IN ES.

Keep reading, you are missing the second half of the sentence on what the government has to facilitate.

A release IN El Salvador

Not a return. Return is never used for a reason. SCOTUS didn’t demand a specific outcome.

And if you keep trading even further, you see the wording about deference to article 2 powers.

Read the entire sentence. You didn’t.

Tocqueville in America: "Rape is a death penalty offense."

Van Hollen in El Salvador: "Let the MS-13 gang members free."

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Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

He didn’t need a hearing to prove he is in a gang to be removed. He is removable because he is an illegal alien. He tried to plead asylum but that failed. He had due process in 2019 but judge declined to give him amnesty.

He later received a waiver preventing the US from deporting him. He was here legally. No removal order.

Wrong again. The order was that he couldn’t be taken to El Salvador because he was worried about gang reprisals. It did not grant him asylum in the US and he was still deportable.

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Those documents on the website offer no corroborated evidence that Abrego Garcia is a member of a gang. It appears that one person claimed he is a gang member, yet he has no criminal history, and nothing to tie him to a gang except an accusation by an anonymous person whose motives are unknown. Is the person a paid informant? For ICE to pick him up off the street and send him to an El Salvador prison without due process should send shivers down the spine of every American.

Those documents were presented in court twice, where he and his lawyer were present, 6 months apart. He lost both times. That’s how courts work. The original judge AND the appeals judge thought it was enough evidence.

Reading ugh spellcheck

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Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

SCOTUS told the gubmint to facilitate the man's return to the USA. That has not happened. The government is in violation of a SCOTUS order.

Wrong. SCOTUS told the judge to clarify her order especially in terms of “effectuate” with respect for the executive branch. She still hasn’t done so. SCOTUS never mandated a return of Garcia to the US. It mandated “facilitate” a release IN ES.

Keep reading, you are missing the second half of the sentence on what the government has to facilitate.

A release IN El Salvador

Not a return. Return is never used for a reason. SCOTUS didn’t demand a specific outcome.

And if you keep trading even further, you see the wording about deference to article 2 powers.

Credible

Anonymous wrote:^^^ Those documents on the website offer no corroborated evidence that Abrego Garcia is a member of a gang. It appears that one person claimed he is a gang member, yet he has no criminal history, and nothing to tie him to a gang except an accusation by an anonymous person whose motives are unknown. Is the person a paid informant? For ICE to pick him up off the street and send him to an El Salvador prison without due process should send shivers down the spine of every American.

Read the documents! He was picked up trying to get work at Home Depot. As an illegal alien he can’t apply for jobs. Judge found the police informant’s finding of gang membership credits. It was appealed and Garcia lost.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yikes this looks worse and worse:

But a 2021 petition for protection from domestic violence filled out by Abrego Garcia's wife, Jennifer Vasquez, which was obtained first by DailyMail.com, states that the alleged MS-13 member beat his wife multiple times over the years.

In November 2020, Abrego Garcia hit Vasquez with his work boots, and in August 2020 he hit her in the eye, causing her to get a black eye, according to her petition.

That same day Abrego Garcia started driving quickly, scaring his wife, as their one-year-old was in the back seat. 'In the recording you can hear him yelling, insulting me, driving extreme fast,' Vasquez told authorities.

Later that day she left the residence they shared after being 'afraid to be close to him,' her request continued.

- Daily Mail

That’s really bad.

Multiple violent assaults on his wife for 3 years? Endangering their infant child??

I am no longer on this guy’s side. He should stay in his country.

Sigh. None of this is about being on any side. People are upset because our POTUS is grossly overriding due process and failing to adhere to rule of law.

I am on the constitution’s side.

The constitution has nothing to say about this case. Trump hasn’t violated any court order.

SCOTUS told the gubmint to facilitate the man's return to the USA. That has not happened. The government is in violation of a SCOTUS order.

Wrong. SCOTUS told the judge to clarify her order especially in terms of “effectuate” with respect for the executive branch. She still hasn’t done so. SCOTUS never mandated a return of Garcia to the US. It mandated “facilitate” a release IN ES.

Keep reading, you are missing the second half of the sentence on what the government has to facilitate.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People here said the wife beating was false, surprise it’s not. When it’s proven he is a gang member, then what?

Unless he had a chance to defend himself in a court of law then nothing has been “proven” at all. You damn fools need to get a basic civics education before you sell out the USA and our constitution.

He had a hearing in 2019 with evidence showing he was a gang member. He lost because "he failed to present evidence to dispute that assertion" he had a Lawyer at the hearing and lost. The actual documents are here. https://www.justice.gov/ag/media/1396906/dl?inline

That was his "chance to defend himself in a court of law". He lost.

This is a lie.

If you have evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia is now or has ever been a member of a gang, please, please post it here.

Otherwise, STFU.

He didn’t need a hearing to prove he is in a gang to be removed. He is removable because he is an illegal alien. He tried to plead asylum but that failed. He had due process in 2019 but judge declined to give him amnesty.

He later received a waiver preventing the US from deporting him. He was here legally. No removal order.