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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

I know that part. But I'm baffled about why they need to know this particular child's preexisting conditions. The MMR vaccine could have prevented the death regardless of preexisting conditions. This is a known fact.

If the cause of death is pre-existing condition how would MMR prevent this death?

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

I know that part. But I'm baffled about why they need to know this particular child's preexisting conditions. The MMR vaccine could have prevented the death regardless of preexisting conditions. This is a known fact.

If the cause of death is pre-existing condition how would MMR prevent this death?

Why are you making stuff up?

What stuff I am making up? If someone has pre-existing conditions and dies from complications of these conditions and happens to test positive for some virus X, this doesn't mean that it's the virus X that caused this person's death. Also, virus X could endanger the health of a person with pre-existing conditions putting them at risk of death, but this doesn't mean that another virus Y (for which there are no vaccinations) or some other health injury isn't going to do the same. In other words MMR would reduce the risk of this person dying (from these diseases specifically), but would not prevent this person from dying of many other causes.

In fact, testing positive for Measles doesn't preclude there wasn't another virus or bacterial infection present that contributed or even started the chain of events that led to the person's death.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

I know that part. But I'm baffled about why they need to know this particular child's preexisting conditions. The MMR vaccine could have prevented the death regardless of preexisting conditions. This is a known fact.

If the cause of death is pre-existing condition how would MMR prevent this death?

Why are you making stuff up?

What stuff I am making up? If someone has pre-existing conditions and dies from complications of these conditions and happens to test positive for some virus X, this doesn't mean that it's the virus X that caused this person's death. Also, virus X could endanger the health of a person with pre-existing conditions putting them at risk of death, but this doesn't mean that another virus Y (for which there are no vaccinations) or some other health injury isn't going to do the same. In other words MMR would reduce the risk of this person dying (from these diseases specifically), but would not prevent this person from dying of many other causes.

In fact, testing positive for Measles doesn't preclude there wasn't another virus or bacterial infection present that contributed or even started the chain of events that led to the person's death.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

So MAGA trash is ok killing off kids with “preexisting conditions”? Sounds very final solutiony.

This was their attitude about Covid, too so not surprising. Anyone with other health issues that made Covid more deadly than for the average person were deemed expendable.

Covid saved social security a lot of money by killing all.those senior citizens in the red states.

Since the ultra wealthy republicans will just fly overseas and get their kids vaccinations, all these disease will just kill the UMC to poor Americans.

Yup, I have a close friend who is a pharmacist, and she is not very political but was horrified that RFK Jr didn't send a rep to the meeting to pick the flu strains for vaccines next year. We said we'd make a roadtrip to Canada next year if we have to, to get our flu shots.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

So MAGA trash is ok killing off kids with “preexisting conditions”? Sounds very final solutiony.

This was their attitude about Covid, too so not surprising. Anyone with other health issues that made Covid more deadly than for the average person were deemed expendable.

Covid saved social security a lot of money by killing all.those senior citizens in the red states.

Since the ultra wealthy republicans will just fly overseas and get their kids vaccinations, all these disease will just kill the UMC to poor Americans.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a 15 page thread about one death with no useful details?

What useful details are you looking for? There’s also a thread in the Health forum if that helps.

Co-morbidities being the big one.

Measles has been studied and tracked for a very long time. This is not like Covid where we're only just figuring out what types of comorbidities might cause complications or death. It is already known which populations are at higher risk, and it is already known that measles can cause serious life-long complications and death even in healthy people. So tell me, why do you care what the child's comorbidities were? How will that impact your actions? Alllll the data is at your fingertips. Or better yet ask your doctor's advice.

I hope people like you aren't thinking "this kid probably had leukemia so I really don't need to worry about my non-leukemia kids."

We can't save everyone. There is a child dying in a car accident every day, nobody cares. Nobody cares to make our suburbs less car dependent, to make it safer to get around. Nobody cares how many kids die of neglect or abuse or suicides (a LOT more than Measles). Why is this story making headlines and so many discussions? It's purely political. These outbreaks happened before and you hardly remember unless someone brings it to your retinas.

Yes we care if a child dies in a car accident. And yes, we blame the parents if the accident likely wouldn’t have left the kid with a scratch— if they were in a car seat— which they weren’t. Kids die all sorts of ways. And every one is a tragedy. But the easily preventable ones (by vaccines, car seats, bike helmets, putting the bleach away when you have a toddler)— are pointless, as well tragic.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a 15 page thread about one death with no useful details?

What useful details are you looking for? There’s also a thread in the Health forum if that helps.

Co-morbidities being the big one.

Measles has been studied and tracked for a very long time. This is not like Covid where we're only just figuring out what types of comorbidities might cause complications or death. It is already known which populations are at higher risk, and it is already known that measles can cause serious life-long complications and death even in healthy people. So tell me, why do you care what the child's comorbidities were? How will that impact your actions? Alllll the data is at your fingertips. Or better yet ask your doctor's advice.

I hope people like you aren't thinking "this kid probably had leukemia so I really don't need to worry about my non-leukemia kids."

We can't save everyone. There is a child dying in a car accident every day, nobody cares. Nobody cares to make our suburbs less car dependent, to make it safer to get around. Nobody cares how many kids die of neglect or abuse or suicides (a LOT more than Measles). Why is this story making headlines and so many discussions? It's purely political. These outbreaks happened before and you hardly remember unless someone brings it to your retinas.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a 15 page thread about one death with no useful details?

What useful details are you looking for? There’s also a thread in the Health forum if that helps.

Co-morbidities being the big one.

Measles has been studied and tracked for a very long time. This is not like Covid where we're only just figuring out what types of comorbidities might cause complications or death. It is already known which populations are at higher risk, and it is already known that measles can cause serious life-long complications and death even in healthy people. So tell me, why do you care what the child's comorbidities were? How will that impact your actions? Alllll the data is at your fingertips. Or better yet ask your doctor's advice.

I hope people like you aren't thinking "this kid probably had leukemia so I really don't need to worry about my non-leukemia kids."

We can't save everyone. There is a child dying in a car accident every day, nobody cares. Nobody cares to make our suburbs less car dependent, to make it safer to get around. Nobody cares how many kids die of neglect or abuse or suicides (a LOT more than Measles). Why is this story making headlines and so many discussions? It's purely political. These outbreaks happened before and you hardly remember unless someone brings it to your retinas.

It's making headlines because there is already a known solution in place, accessible to everyone in the country. Not so for the other things you mentioned.

That's how the news works.

Are you dense? There is literally nothing different now and this was the case before. No, you cannot and you will not vaccinate every single person. It's literally impossible to control. There is nothing new about this. I do not understand the degree of coverage this gets.
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There is something hugely different now, couldn't be more different. The Secretary of Health and Human Services of the United States , an authority figure, our guide for all matters health related, promotes not vaccinating children and has specifically targeted this vaccine. Weeks into his tenure, there has already been one death.

It is "new" to have the top health figure in the United States actively go against the peer-reviewed crystal clear scientific facts.

Why is one death newsworthy? Because the last death was in 2015. Prior to that, 2003.

In 2024, we had a total of 285 measles cases reported in the US. It is March 1, and there have already been 165.

This virus is tremendously contagious. The flu has an R naught of 1-2. The measles: 12-18. Thankfully, most people are vaccinated so we won't see a pandemic. Thankfully, we have an extremely effective weapon against this virus. Unfortunately for the woman in 2015, who was vaccinated but immunocompromised, walking in an area up to two hours after a measles patient can lead to infection.

So who is at risk besides those who choose to unvaccinate (along with their innocent children who have no choice):
1) all babies under 12-15 months
2) anyone who is immune compromised
3) anyone whose vaccine may be less effective (for example, people who were vaccinated between 1963-1967 were given an inactive measles vaccine that has proven to be less effective).

Why did RFK Jr. say it wasn't a big deal in the cabinet meeting? He is promoting his antivax position. He doesn't want you to think that things are going badly under his tenure. He, literally as you would say, does not care. We can debate the theories but the facts are crystal clear.

On an abstract level, I agree with you that having RFK head HHS is bad for vaccines.

But this death would’ve occurred even if Harris was president. It’s not like parents were vaccinating their kids up until RFK’s confirmation hearing and then did a 180 after RFK took the reins.

Probably something like 75% of Americans don’t even know who runs HHS. These parents aren’t refusing vaccinations because of RFK (yet), they’re refusing vaccinations because of TikTok and Jenny McCarthy and because they refuse to be educated.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

So MAGA trash is ok killing off kids with “preexisting conditions”? Sounds very final solutiony.

This was their attitude about Covid, too so not surprising. Anyone with other health issues that made Covid more deadly than for the average person were deemed expendable.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a 15 page thread about one death with no useful details?

What useful details are you looking for? There’s also a thread in the Health forum if that helps.

Co-morbidities being the big one.

Measles has been studied and tracked for a very long time. This is not like Covid where we're only just figuring out what types of comorbidities might cause complications or death. It is already known which populations are at higher risk, and it is already known that measles can cause serious life-long complications and death even in healthy people. So tell me, why do you care what the child's comorbidities were? How will that impact your actions? Alllll the data is at your fingertips. Or better yet ask your doctor's advice.

I hope people like you aren't thinking "this kid probably had leukemia so I really don't need to worry about my non-leukemia kids."

We can't save everyone. There is a child dying in a car accident every day, nobody cares. Nobody cares to make our suburbs less car dependent, to make it safer to get around. Nobody cares how many kids die of neglect or abuse or suicides (a LOT more than Measles). Why is this story making headlines and so many discussions? It's purely political. These outbreaks happened before and you hardly remember unless someone brings it to your retinas.

It's making headlines because there is already a known solution in place, accessible to everyone in the country. Not so for the other things you mentioned.

That's how the news works.

Are you dense? There is literally nothing different now and this was the case before. No, you cannot and you will not vaccinate every single person. It's literally impossible to control. There is nothing new about this. I do not understand the degree of coverage this gets.
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There is something hugely different now, couldn't be more different. The Secretary of Health and Human Services of the United States , an authority figure, our guide for all matters health related, promotes not vaccinating children and has specifically targeted this vaccine. Weeks into his tenure, there has already been one death.

It is "new" to have the top health figure in the United States actively go against the peer-reviewed crystal clear scientific facts.

Why is one death newsworthy? Because the last death was in 2015. Prior to that, 2003.

In 2024, we had a total of 285 measles cases reported in the US. It is March 1, and there have already been 165.

This virus is tremendously contagious. The flu has an R naught of 1-2. The measles: 12-18. Thankfully, most people are vaccinated so we won't see a pandemic. Thankfully, we have an extremely effective weapon against this virus. Unfortunately for the woman in 2015, who was vaccinated but immunocompromised, walking in an area up to two hours after a measles patient can lead to infection.

So who is at risk besides those who choose to unvaccinate (along with their innocent children who have no choice):
1) all babies under 12-15 months
2) anyone who is immune compromised
3) anyone whose vaccine may be less effective (for example, people who were vaccinated between 1963-1967 were given an inactive measles vaccine that has proven to be less effective).

Why did RFK Jr. say it wasn't a big deal in the cabinet meeting? He is promoting his antivax position. He doesn't want you to think that things are going badly under his tenure. He, literally as you would say, does not care. We can debate the theories but the facts are crystal clear.

On an abstract level, I agree with you that having RFK head HHS is bad for vaccines.

But this death would’ve occurred even if Harris was president. It’s not like parents were vaccinating their kids up until RFK’s confirmation hearing and then did a 180 after RFK took the reins.

Probably something like 75% of Americans don’t even know who runs HHS. These parents aren’t refusing vaccinations because of RFK (yet), they’re refusing vaccinations because of TikTok and Jenny McCarthy and because they refuse to be educated.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this a 15 page thread about one death with no useful details?

What useful details are you looking for? There’s also a thread in the Health forum if that helps.

Co-morbidities being the big one.

Measles has been studied and tracked for a very long time. This is not like Covid where we're only just figuring out what types of comorbidities might cause complications or death. It is already known which populations are at higher risk, and it is already known that measles can cause serious life-long complications and death even in healthy people. So tell me, why do you care what the child's comorbidities were? How will that impact your actions? Alllll the data is at your fingertips. Or better yet ask your doctor's advice.

I hope people like you aren't thinking "this kid probably had leukemia so I really don't need to worry about my non-leukemia kids."

We can't save everyone. There is a child dying in a car accident every day, nobody cares. Nobody cares to make our suburbs less car dependent, to make it safer to get around. Nobody cares how many kids die of neglect or abuse or suicides (a LOT more than Measles). Why is this story making headlines and so many discussions? It's purely political. These outbreaks happened before and you hardly remember unless someone brings it to your retinas.

It's making headlines because there is already a known solution in place, accessible to everyone in the country. Not so for the other things you mentioned.

That's how the news works.

Are you dense? There is literally nothing different now and this was the case before. No, you cannot and you will not vaccinate every single person. It's literally impossible to control. There is nothing new about this. I do not understand the degree of coverage this gets.
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There is something hugely different now, couldn't be more different. The Secretary of Health and Human Services of the United States , an authority figure, our guide for all matters health related, promotes not vaccinating children and has specifically targeted this vaccine. Weeks into his tenure, there has already been one death.

It is "new" to have the top health figure in the United States actively go against the peer-reviewed crystal clear scientific facts.

Why is one death newsworthy? Because the last death was in 2015. Prior to that, 2003.

In 2024, we had a total of 285 measles cases reported in the US. It is March 1, and there have already been 165.

This virus is tremendously contagious. The flu has an R naught of 1-2. The measles: 12-18. Thankfully, most people are vaccinated so we won't see a pandemic. Thankfully, we have an extremely effective weapon against this virus. Unfortunately for the woman in 2015, who was vaccinated but immunocompromised, walking in an area up to two hours after a measles patient can lead to infection.

So who is at risk besides those who choose to unvaccinate (along with their innocent children who have no choice):
1) all babies under 12-15 months
2) anyone who is immune compromised
3) anyone whose vaccine may be less effective (for example, people who were vaccinated between 1963-1967 were given an inactive measles vaccine that has proven to be less effective).

Why did RFK Jr. say it wasn't a big deal in the cabinet meeting? He is promoting his antivax position. He doesn't want you to think that things are going badly under his tenure. He, literally as you would say, does not care. We can debate the theories but the facts are crystal clear.

On an abstract level, I agree with you that having RFK head HHS is bad for vaccines.

But this death would’ve occurred even if Harris was president. It’s not like parents were vaccinating their kids up until RFK’s confirmation hearing and then did a 180 after RFK took the reins.

Probably something like 75% of Americans don’t even know who runs HHS. These parents aren’t refusing vaccinations because of RFK (yet), they’re refusing vaccinations because of TikTok and Jenny McCarthy and because they refuse to be educated.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

So MAGA trash is ok killing off kids with “preexisting conditions”? Sounds very final solutiony.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.

The pp is justifying why there is no need to vaccinate his/her kid.

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Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Yes, there is information. They died from measles, a wholly preventable disease.

Preexisting conditions?

Let's pretend the child had diabetes. What is your next step, after obtaining that information? I'm genuinely confused about why you need this information.