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Anonymous wrote:Most of Musk’s talk about DOGE so far has been particularly “wasteful” gov projects like research on trans monkeys. Not hearing “We need to eliminate HUD.”

The dollar amounts he mentions can not be achieved by narrow targeted cuts.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if DOGE doing the work for free is even legal. I thought legally the government could not accept work for free.

Anonymous wrote:Most of Musk’s talk about DOGE so far has been particularly “wasteful” gov projects like research on trans monkeys. Not hearing “We need to eliminate HUD.”

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Anonymous wrote:This Musk thing is a terrible idea, as is a stark RTO mandate, but let's be clear on what it actually is and isn't:

1. DOGE is a set of private advisors, just like the thinktanks like Heritage that have been and will continue advising.
2. DOGE is not "wasteful" in the way that matters, because government funds will not be spent. It will be Musk-funded, so no tax-payer dollars.
3. No need for Congress to weigh in or approve DOGE in any way.
4. If they make recommendations before midterms, many of them will be approved by Congress. Some of them will not require Congressional approval. The executive branch has rule-making authority and many many "compliance" related requirements are rules or EOs.
4. Blanket RTO will cost little to no money in real estate because people will be crammed in to existing buildings. GSA has vacant buildings, they will reshuffle who goes where at no additional cost.
5. Executive agencies absolutely can spend less than their annual appropriation in personnel. It has happened before, many times. It is not illegal.
6. Sure a lot of this will be litigated, but injunctions will be minimal.
7. The unions will be of very little help, though I am sure they will try. Complying during grievance/arbitration/litigation is required in almost all instances. Thee are loopholes all over the language in CBAs. And the FLRA will be stacked in the Administration's favor.

Should this happen? Absolutely not.
Will it happen? Absolutely yes.

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Remember, they cannot fire an individual easily, but they can do away with entire divisions or departments. I'm sure this is where they are headed.

They can eliminate whatever they want but ultimately it’s up to Congress and there aren’t enough crazies in congress to implement this crap. What they will do is make lives miserable for federal employees in the meantime

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Anonymous wrote:This Musk thing is a terrible idea, as is a stark RTO mandate, but let's be clear on what it actually is and isn't:

1. DOGE is a set of private advisors, just like the thinktanks like Heritage that have been and will continue advising.
2. DOGE is not "wasteful" in the way that matters, because government funds will not be spent. It will be Musk-funded, so no tax-payer dollars.
3. No need for Congress to weigh in or approve DOGE in any way.
4. If they make recommendations before midterms, many of them will be approved by Congress. Some of them will not require Congressional approval. The executive branch has rule-making authority and many many "compliance" related requirements are rules or EOs.
4. Blanket RTO will cost little to no money in real estate because people will be crammed in to existing buildings. GSA has vacant buildings, they will reshuffle who goes where at no additional cost.
5. Executive agencies absolutely can spend less than their annual appropriation in personnel. It has happened before, many times. It is not illegal.
6. Sure a lot of this will be litigated, but injunctions will be minimal.
7. The unions will be of very little help, though I am sure they will try. Complying during grievance/arbitration/litigation is required in almost all instances. Thee are loopholes all over the language in CBAs. And the FLRA will be stacked in the Administration's favor.

Should this happen? Absolutely not.
Will it happen? Absolutely yes.

.

Remember, they cannot fire an individual easily, but they can do away with entire divisions or departments. I'm sure this is where they are headed.

Anonymous wrote:This Musk thing is a terrible idea, as is a stark RTO mandate, but let's be clear on what it actually is and isn't:

1. DOGE is a set of private advisors, just like the thinktanks like Heritage that have been and will continue advising.
2. DOGE is not "wasteful" in the way that matters, because government funds will not be spent. It will be Musk-funded, so no tax-payer dollars.
3. No need for Congress to weigh in or approve DOGE in any way.
4. If they make recommendations before midterms, many of them will be approved by Congress. Some of them will not require Congressional approval. The executive branch has rule-making authority and many many "compliance" related requirements are rules or EOs.
4. Blanket RTO will cost little to no money in real estate because people will be crammed in to existing buildings. GSA has vacant buildings, they will reshuffle who goes where at no additional cost.
5. Executive agencies absolutely can spend less than their annual appropriation in personnel. It has happened before, many times. It is not illegal.
6. Sure a lot of this will be litigated, but injunctions will be minimal.
7. The unions will be of very little help, though I am sure they will try. Complying during grievance/arbitration/litigation is required in almost all instances. Thee are loopholes all over the language in CBAs. And the FLRA will be stacked in the Administration's favor.

Should this happen? Absolutely not.
Will it happen? Absolutely yes.

Anonymous wrote:Top way to boost efficiency: mandate RTO so that the government has to spend billions more on office space, etc. Brilliant.

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Anonymous wrote:For the “DOGE” to have any actual powers, Congress would need to pass a law, with 60 votes in the Senate. Otherwise its only powers are advising Trump, like the other WH offices.

It’s cute that we still think the filibuster will survive. Dear leader doesn’t like it, so it will be removed.

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of loafer feds should put in their retirement papers to save younger and ambitious feds.

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Anonymous wrote:Elon and Vivek will run the Dept. of Efficiency. They plan identify the waste and inefficiencies and get the cuts to budgets approved by congress which will be republican within 1st yr.

Also noted the work will be done by July 2026 - 18 months. The “they can’t get it done in 4 years” chatter is clearly wishful thinking.

I have no doubt that this new commission will
propose massive changes. But they need Congressional approval for much of it. Even if they eliminate the filibuster, GOP only has a few-vote majority in the House and Senate.

They definitely don’t need congressional approval to spend *less* lol. Again - bunch of wishful thinking on this thread.

They….absolutely do. There’s been two impeachments over impoundment, which is what you are describing. The executive directing the agency to not spend funds lawfully appropriated by the Congress. And if anyone thinks that the appropriators—even republican ones— will roll over for them has little insight into congressional relations.