PP - the only stance that makes me want to vote Dem is the colossal mistake Trump/Reps made with Roe v. Wade. It wasn't broken.

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Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

+1.

We are the silent majority. The woke are very vocal about their beliefs online, which misleads them to assume they are the majority when they are not.

+100000000000

And honestly, I blame them for the mess our country is in now just as much as I blame the far-right extremist Christians who want to ban abortion. If common sense had prevailed and their intolerance (oh, the irony) were not an issue, we would not have Trump as the only Republican nominee this year. They are no better and just as divisive as the far-right extremist Christians.

The difference is, of course, the "woke" left are a fringe. The religious fundamentalists are core to the current MAGA/GOP and leadership.

Kinda important.

Kinda important to understand that many who were on the fence went pro-Trump because of the intolerant cancel culture of the "woke" left. And the more I hear that kind of talk, the more I'm willing to right the pendulum that went far off balance to the left. And being taxed more for just making $200K is not OK in my book either. I also don't believe in socialist universal health care as many EU countries have because I know firsthand how imperfect it is. And my stance on illegal immigration...well you know...the more I think about it and seeing the continued intolerance from the "woke" left...don't be too surprise if Trump wins and you will only have yourselves to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:I will respect moderates when they actually pull the Republicans in a little and make them adopt a moderate position for their party platform. Moderates always expect the most from Democrats (and recently just are too invested in the culture war to think about the good parts of the Democratic Party) and absolutely nothing at all from Republicans.

Not true - moderates, like myself, want Republicans to adopt a more moderate position on women's reproductive rights for example. On the flip side, we want Democrats to adopt a more moderate position on those social policies and woke ideologies. Not asking that much from Democrats, actually asking more from Republicans.

Good luck moderating the MAGAs.

Maybe in 8-12 years the Republican party will be able to right itself and come up with better candidates and slogan. Meanwhile, I'll settle for Harris and hopefully VP Mark Kelly. I just hope the Dems cool it a little with the social policies and woke ideologies.

Came across this cool site: https://onlinegrad.syracuse.edu/blog/presidential-campaign-slogans-accessible/ of all the historic presidential campaign slogans. Some are funny in today's context. My favorite is "Rejuvenated Republicanism” or “Patriotism, Protection, and Prosperity”

So, what is the current Democratic slogan?

A second term always emboldens the extreme views of either party. They will be mobilized to push the most progressive tax policy this country has ever seen in 2025, including tax increases on families like mine that make 200k/year. That alone means this Never Trumper is voting for Trump. I read the actual Democrat tax plan, not troll posts, to make my decision.

The rest is just noise to me. I’m finished.

LOL my family makes around that much and TRUMP’S tax cut (for rich people) increased our taxes. Soo… not sure where you’ve been.

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Anonymous wrote:I will respect moderates when they actually pull the Republicans in a little and make them adopt a moderate position for their party platform. Moderates always expect the most from Democrats (and recently just are too invested in the culture war to think about the good parts of the Democratic Party) and absolutely nothing at all from Republicans.

Not true - moderates, like myself, want Republicans to adopt a more moderate position on women's reproductive rights for example. On the flip side, we want Democrats to adopt a more moderate position on those social policies and woke ideologies. Not asking that much from Democrats, actually asking more from Republicans.

Good luck moderating the MAGAs.

Maybe in 8-12 years the Republican party will be able to right itself and come up with better candidates and slogan. Meanwhile, I'll settle for Harris and hopefully VP Mark Kelly. I just hope the Dems cool it a little with the social policies and woke ideologies.

Came across this cool site: https://onlinegrad.syracuse.edu/blog/presidential-campaign-slogans-accessible/ of all the historic presidential campaign slogans. Some are funny in today's context. My favorite is "Rejuvenated Republicanism” or “Patriotism, Protection, and Prosperity”

So, what is the current Democratic slogan?

A second term always emboldens the extreme views of either party. They will be mobilized to push the most progressive tax policy this country has ever seen in 2025, including tax increases on families like mine that make 200k/year. That alone means this Never Trumper is voting for Trump. I read the actual Democrat tax plan, not troll posts, to make my decision.

The rest is just noise to me. I’m finished.

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Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

+1.

We are the silent majority. The woke are very vocal about their beliefs online, which misleads them to assume they are the majority when they are not.

+100000000000

And honestly, I blame them for the mess our country is in now just as much as I blame the far-right extremist Christians who want to ban abortion. If common sense had prevailed and their intolerance (oh, the irony) were not an issue, we would not have Trump as the only Republican nominee this year. They are no better and just as divisive as the far-right extremist Christians.

The difference is, of course, the "woke" left are a fringe. The religious fundamentalists are core to the current MAGA/GOP and leadership.

Kinda important.

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Anonymous wrote:

Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

Is it religion or is it just wanting to naturally shield children from sexual awareness and sexual identity ? That opens the door to pedophilia and some people on the far left have already tried here and beyond

Uh, almost every single case of pedophilia is some pastor from the south or midwest, clearly MAGA leaning. Just because someone is gay or trans does not make them a pedophile. Literally every single case. There is a whole thread in DCUM if you want to look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:

Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

+1.

We are the silent majority. The woke are very vocal about their beliefs online, which misleads them to assume they are the majority when they are not.

+100000000000

And honestly, I blame them for the mess our country is in now just as much as I blame the far-right extremist Christians who want to ban abortion. If common sense had prevailed and their intolerance (oh, the irony) were not an issue, we would not have Trump as the only Republican nominee this year. They are no better and just as divisive as the far-right extremist Christians.

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Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

+1.

We are the silent majority. The woke are very vocal about their beliefs online, which misleads them to assume they are the majority when they are not.

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Anonymous wrote:

Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

Is it religion or is it just wanting to naturally shield children from sexual awareness and sexual identity ? That opens the door to pedophilia and some people on the far left have already tried here and beyond

PP here. That's why, like a previous poster, I will probably vote blue (but only because Trump is the alternative), but I am going red everywhere else...you have yourself and those like you to blame.

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Anonymous wrote:

Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

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Anonymous wrote:I will respect moderates when they actually pull the Republicans in a little and make them adopt a moderate position for their party platform. Moderates always expect the most from Democrats (and recently just are too invested in the culture war to think about the good parts of the Democratic Party) and absolutely nothing at all from Republicans.

Not true - moderates, like myself, want Republicans to adopt a more moderate position on women's reproductive rights for example. On the flip side, we want Democrats to adopt a more moderate position on those social policies and woke ideologies. Not asking that much from Democrats, actually asking more from Republicans.

Good luck moderating the MAGAs.

Maybe in 8-12 years the Republican party will be able to right itself and come up with better candidates and slogan. Meanwhile, I'll settle for Harris and hopefully VP Mark Kelly. I just hope the Dems cool it a little with the social policies and woke ideologies.

Came across this cool site: https://onlinegrad.syracuse.edu/blog/presidential-campaign-slogans-accessible/ of all the historic presidential campaign slogans. Some are funny in today's context. My favorite is "Rejuvenated Republicanism” or “Patriotism, Protection, and Prosperity”

So, what is the current Democratic slogan?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that social policies and woke ideology makes them lose

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ.

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - it's called freedom of religion and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true.

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

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Anonymous wrote:I will respect moderates when they actually pull the Republicans in a little and make them adopt a moderate position for their party platform. Moderates always expect the most from Democrats (and recently just are too invested in the culture war to think about the good parts of the Democratic Party) and absolutely nothing at all from Republicans.

Not true - moderates, like myself, want Republicans to adopt a more moderate position on women's reproductive rights for example. On the flip side, we want Democrats to adopt a more moderate position on those social policies and woke ideologies. Not asking that much from Democrats, actually asking more from Republicans.

Good luck moderating the MAGAs.

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Anonymous wrote:I will respect moderates when they actually pull the Republicans in a little and make them adopt a moderate position for their party platform. Moderates always expect the most from Democrats (and recently just are too invested in the culture war to think about the good parts of the Democratic Party) and absolutely nothing at all from Republicans.

Not true - moderates, like myself, want Republicans to adopt a more moderate position on women's reproductive rights for example. On the flip side, we want Democrats to adopt a more moderate position on those social policies and woke ideologies. Not asking that much from Democrats, actually asking more from Republicans.

Woke ideologies isn't a policy. There is nothing you are saying other than "I don't like that your group is a bunch of wokies." Biden, who is the president of the united states and could've been in 2024 (not likely but potentially), has a long history of racism. I guess you can call Harris woke, cause she's a Black woman but she has a career of imprisoning Black men... I really don't see why moderates complain about the "woke" part of the party, because those are progressives who make up a few house members and none of the national agenda.

The wokeness is mostly being implemented in state and local constituencies. We also see it in Congress though I don’t think anything’s been able to get through (although this will change if fringe numbers are allowed to grow). I’ll probably vote blue for the executive to stave off tyrannical authoritarianism, but I am going red everywhere else. And not because they’re the best for the job or representative of all my values (not even close), but because the alternative is that bad.

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