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Anonymous wrote:There’s no reasoning with MAGA on this topic. No amount of linked articles, fact-checking, or earnest pleas help. They are not interested in the details of mass deportation and what it would look like in practice. The topic of illegal immigration sets them off at a deep and primal level and they can’t and don’t want to think straight on the matter. If mass deportation ever happens, they will derive pleasure from the images they see in the news.

says the poster who wants to kill unborn babies as she’s judged them to be unproductive and violent before they are even born.

Exactly.

I take it you didn't live in a city engulfed in shootings,death and crack in the 1980s (not DC in my case) and it shows. Just wait about 20 years in Texas and see what happens there. It's not going to be pretty.

It’s a paradise now? How are you defending illegal immigration but sentencing unborn babies to death?

Exactly nobody is defending illegal immigration on here. The debate is what to do about it. Some people want posse comitstus suspended and shock troops grabbing everyone with an accent. Some people find that problematic.

And yes, as a woman I feel pretty strongly that I should not be forced to carry a rape baby to term. I can decide myself what is best for my family, and take it up with my God if I believe in one. Although at 7 or 8 weeks. It’s not a baby. And I’m gravely that when I started to hemorrhage from a ruptured ectopic pregnancy, I was provided the medical care that saved my life and allowed me to parent the two kids I have.

Plus, abortion is a different thread. I think there is one that’s about 400 pages long. Go debate there and stop off tracking here.

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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

ICE detention centers already exist. Where do you think people wait before deportation?

Men, women, and children apprehended by CBP or ICE are normally placed in removal proceedings and may be detained in one of the more than 200 jails and detention centers that make up ICE's detention system.

^^ 💅🏽

Sure. But Biden asked for more money for further detention capacity in this years budget, and the Republican House said no. You can’t detain people unless you fund detention centers. Idiot.

Rights Groups Oppose President Biden's Expansion of ICE Detention

Dear President Biden:

We write to express outrage over your administration’s expansion of the cruel and unnecessary immigration detention system. Last month, you signed a spending bill that provides historically high funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detention - $3.4 billion in taxpayers’ money. Our organizations work with and advocate on behalf of people who have experienced immigration detention. They carry life long scars from the mistreatment and dehumanization they endured because of the United States’ reliance on detention, mostly through private prisons and county jails. Your administration is further entrenching this reliance, marking an utter betrayal of your campaign promises.

On the date of your inauguration, fewer than 15,000 people were in ICE detention. This presented a remarkable opportunity to wind down a wasteful and abusive system. Indeed, your own 2023 and 2024 budget requests sought significantly decreased detention funding. ICE began internal reviews of the system, recommending the closure or downsizing of numerous facilities because of dangerously abusive conditions.

In an abrupt change of course, over the last two years, ICE has instead increased the number of people in custody. Most of the facilities on ICE’s internal closure list remain open, despite numerous reports from advocates and service providers further documenting the ineffectiveness of detention and the need for a different approach. As the political winds shifted, so did your funding requests to Congress. In October 2023, you requested supplemental detention funding, and your FY2025 budget request sought funding for 34,000 beds instead of the 25,000 sought in the two previous cycles. The result is unsurprising: the FY2024 spending bill you signed provides ICE $3.4 billion to jail an average of 41,500 immigrants per day, historically high funding surpassing all four years of the Trump administration.

Detention should not be about politics. It is about human lives, and its use has devastating consequences for the people who endure it.

The system your administration is expanding is riddled with abuse and impunity. Your senior officials have been aware of these significant human rights concerns since day one. ICE’s jails and prisons operate under insufficient standards with inspections that are notorious for covering up deficiencies. Inadequate medical care results in deaths; LGBTQ individuals in custody suffer homophobic and transphobic harassment and abuse; basic sanitation is often lacking; Black immigrants face unaffordable bonds and violence at disparately high rates; and ICE’s use of solitary confinement regularly meets the United Nations’ definition of torture.

This suffering does not advance any rational policy goal. Detention does not provide an efficient or ethical means of border processing, and it certainly does not indicate to migrants that they are welcome in the United States. It merely exists to further the political goal of deterrence, which is cruel, inhumane and misguided – as even the most punitive forms of detention have been proven not to deter people from seeking safety or a better life.

We urge you to consider the legacy your administration intends to leave on immigration policy. Increasing the incarceration of immigrants is a grave mistake, and we urgently implore you to reverse course.
Sincerely,

National and international organizations:
18 Million Rising
Acacia Center for Justice
Afghans For A Better Tomorrow
African Communities Together
African Human Rights Coalition
Alianza Americas
American Friends Service Committee
America’s Voice
Amnesty International USA
Asian Americans Advancing Justice | AAJC
ASISTA Immigration Assistance
Bend the Arc: Jewish Action
Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI)
Border Butterflies Project
Borderlands Resource Initiative
Bridges Faith Initiative
CASA
Center for Constitutional Rights Center for Gender & Refugee Studies
Center for Immigration Law and Policy, UCLA School of Law
Center for Law and Social Policy (CLASP)
Center for Popular Democracy
Center for Victims of Torture
Church World Service
Coalition for Criminal Justice Reform (CCJR)
Coalition for Humane Immigrant Rights (CHIRLA)
Coalition on Human Needs
Colorado Jobs with Justice
Communities United for Status & Protection (CUSP)
Community Justice Exchange
Defending Rights & Dissent
Detention Watch Network
Doctors for Camp Closure
Drug Policy Alliance
Esperanza United
Faith in Harm Reduction
Families For Freedom
Freedom for Immigrants
Haitian Bridge Alliance
HIAS
Hindus for Human Rights
Human Rights First
Human Rights Watch
Immigrant Defense Project
Immigrant Justice Network
Immigrant Legal Resource Center
Immigrant Rights Clinic of Washington Square Legal Services
Immigration Equality
Immigration Hub
International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP)
Justice in Motion
Justice Policy Institute
Latin America Working Group
LatinoJustice PRLDEF
National Religious Campaign Against Torture (NRCAT)
Marjorie Kovler Center
Mijente
Muslim Advocates
National Center for Parent Leadership, Advocacy, and Community Empowerment (National PLACE)
National Employment Law Project
National Immigrant Justice Center
National Immigration Law Center
National Immigration Project
National Korean American Service & Education Consortium (NAKASEC)
National Latina Institute for Reproductive Justice
National Network for Immigrant and Refugee Rights (NNIRR)
National Partnership for New Americans
National Priorities Project at the Institute for Policy Studies
National Youth Justice Network
NCLR
NETWORK Lobby for Catholic Social Justice
Physicians for Human Rights
Project ANAR
RAICES
Refugees International
Robert F. Kennedy Human Rights
Showing Up for Racial Justice
Sikh Coalition
Sisters of Mercy of the Americas - Justice Team
Southeast Asia Resource Action Center (SEARAC)
SPLC Action Fund
T'ruah: The Rabbinic Call for Human Rights
Tahirih Justice Center
The Advocates for Human Rights
The Real News Network
Tsuru for Solidarity
UndocuBlack Network
Unitarian Universalists for Social Justice
United We Dream Network
Unlock The Box
Vera Institute of Justice
Washington National Cathedral Sanctuary Ministry
We Are All America (WAAA)
Witness at the Border
Women Watch Afrika, Inc.
Women’s Refugee Commission

Regional, state and local organizations:
ACLU of Florida
Adelante Mujeres
Advocates for Immigrant Rights
Al Otro Lado
Aldea - The People’s Justice Center
American Friends Service Committee, Colorado
American Gateways
Americans for Immigrant Justice, Inc.
Asian Americans Advancing Justice-Atlanta
Asian Law Alliance
Baker Interfaith Alliance
Baker Interfaith Friends
Bergen County Immigration Strategy Group
Boston Immigration Justice Accompaniment Network
California Collaborative for Immigrant Justice (CCIJ)
Capital Area Immigrants' Rights (CAIR) Coalition
Central Jersey Coalition Against Endless War
Centro De Trabajadores Unidos
Colorado Immigrant Rights Coalition
Comité pro-inmigrantes
Conversations with Friends
Cross Border Network
Denver Justice and Peace Committee (DJPC)
Dorothy Day Catholic Worker, Washington DC
El Programa Hispano Catolico
El Refugio
Emmaus Community
Estrella del Paso (Formerly DMRS)
Faith in New Jersey
Faith in Texas
Family Voices NJ
First Friends of New Jersey & New York
Florence Immigrant and Refugee Rights Project
Florida Immigrant Coalition
Florida Restorative Justice Association (FRJA)
Food Justice DMV
Grassroots Leadership
Hartford Deportation Defense
Hispanic Affairs Project
Home is Here NOLA
Hope Border Institute
HOPE Community Center
Houston Immigration Legal Services Collaborative
Illinois Alliance for Reentry and Justice
Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights
Illinois Community for Displaced Immigrants
Immigrant Defenders Law Center
Immigrant Justice Group, Plymouth Congregational Church, Minneapolis
Immigrant Mutual Aid Coalition
Inland Coalition for Immigrant Justice
Inter-Faith Committee on Latin America (IFCLA)
Interfaith Alliance for Immigrant Justice
ISLA (Immigration Services and Legal Advocacy)
Jewish Activists for Immigration Justice
La Resistencia
Lamar Unidos
Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center
Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights of the San Francisco Bay Area
Long Island Immigration Clinic / Sisters of St. Joseph
Louisiana Organization for Refugees and Immigrants (LORI)
Make the Road New York
Mariposa Legal, Program of COMMON Foundation
Memphis Methodist Immigrant Relief
Midwest Immigration Bond Fund
Minnesota Freedom Fund
Minnesota Interfaith Coalition on Immigration
MIRA Coalition
Mobile Pathways
Modesto Peace/Life Center
Mountain View United Church
Muslim Justice League
NAMI Huntington
Never Again Action
New Jersey Alliance for Immigrant Justice
New Mexico Immigrant Law Center
New York Immigration Coalition
NorCal Resist
Northern New Jersey Sanctuary Coalition
Northern NJ Sanctuary Coalition
Northwest Immigrant Rights Project
Oasis Legal Services
Occupy Bergen County
Pax Christi New Jersey
Pennsylvania Immigrant and Citizenship Coalition
Prisoners’ Legal Services of Massachusetts
Program for Torture Victims
Project South
Public Counsel
Rebuilding Independence My Style
Rocky Mountain Immigrant Advocacy Network
Rural Organizing Project
San Francisco Living Wage Coalition
Society of the flora, fauna & friend
SPAN Parent Advocacy Network
SURJ NYC
Texas Civil Rights Project
The Mami Chelo Foundation, INC
The Porchlight Collective SAP
Transformations CDC
UnLocal
UU Mass Action
Washington Defender Association
West Hills Friends Peace Committee
Wind of the Spirit Immigrant Resource Center


So you are fine with detention camps Biden wanted to build- but the detention centers/death camps republicans will use to deport illegal immigrants are the bad places?

Can you explain the difference?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?

El Salvador is now safer than the US. We just need to roll out a "Bukele in every pot" style program.

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

not if they're US citizens

Why not? Thirty thousand US born children are deported with their undocumented parents every year, give or take.

Sure they can go. But you can’t force them to. They are Us citizens. How many are left behind?

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Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the issue of morality or whatever you believe is right for the country. How exactly is this going to work? Door by door to round up 20 million people? Busses? Trains? Who is going to guard the deportees? Are we going to drop them off in Mexico?Fly them home? Where will the money come from? What if two illegal aliens have an American born child? What will happen to the kid?

I'm genuinely asking.

You start by not letting people in.

To answer your other question, having an American child is not a barrier to deportation. Thousands of immigrants with American children are getting deported every year. The anchor baby thing is a bunch of nonsense. Babies don’t anchor.

You didn't answer the question. Does the baby get deported too? The American citizen child?

Like everything else, it’s up to the parents. Take the child with them or leave with guardians here. Baby can stay, parents can’t. It happens every day.

It also causes an enormous amount of trauma to a child. And even if your are okay with that, writ large it becomes a problem for society. Have you seen the stats on where kids from foster care end up? Often not as productive members of society.

Child can go with the parents.

Can. But the parent does not have to take them. And if they are going back to extreme poverty, gangs, drug cartels and rapes of their 11 year olds, they may choose not to because the child is safer here, even in foster care. Many parents choose to for these reasons. And legally, they can because these American citizen kids can’t be deported.

MAGA likes to make these sweeping, it’s easy statements. Detain them (11 million people?). Deport the kids (illegal and good luck changing the constitution).

These are complicated problems, some of which have solutions that are classified as very bad vs even worse. If it was as easy as “send the kids too” of “mass deportation,” don’t you think someone would have done it? Like, say, your Orange idol when he was POTUS?

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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

ICE detention centers already exist. Where do you think people wait before deportation?

Men, women, and children apprehended by CBP or ICE are normally placed in removal proceedings and may be detained in one of the more than 200 jails and detention centers that make up ICE's detention system.

^^ 💅🏽

Sure. But Biden asked for more money for further detention capacity in this years budget, and the Republican House said no. You can’t detain people unless you fund detention centers. Idiot.

Anonymous wrote:There’s no reasoning with MAGA on this topic. No amount of linked articles, fact-checking, or earnest pleas help. They are not interested in the details of mass deportation and what it would look like in practice. The topic of illegal immigration sets them off at a deep and primal level and they can’t and don’t want to think straight on the matter. If mass deportation ever happens, they will derive pleasure from the images they see in the news.

I think it’s pretty simple. And a tale as old as time. Their own lives have problems. And rather than, you know, personal responsibility and bootstraps, they find it easier to demonize marginalized people and blame every single problem they have on them. My job sucks, my life sucks— it’s their fault. They will never listen because it would mean that they were in fact responsible for some of the problems in their lives.

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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

ICE detention centers already exist. Where do you think people wait before deportation?

Men, women, and children apprehended by CBP or ICE are normally placed in removal proceedings and may be detained in one of the more than 200 jails and detention centers that make up ICE's detention system.

^^ 💅🏽

Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

Your arguments are intellectually dishonest and not in good faith. You are lying about multiple issues and American history and the history of a democratic president.

Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

ICE detention centers already exist. Where do you think people wait before deportation?

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start with people who have criminal records or are caught breaking the law (for additional reasons). That will probably keep them busy for a while.

you do realize that most people in this category are already being deported after they complete their sentence, right?

I am personally fine deporting anyone who entered illegally. If they want to request asylum, go to the CBP station and wait in line like everyone else.

So, you back Biden on this stuff?

If that's what his policy was, I am in.

Deportation numbers during his term were lower than earlier.

I shouldn't be surprised that people are arguing with a straight face that deportation camps don't pose a major problem, if they were to happen.

But I am.

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Anonymous wrote:My guess is that they will start with people who have criminal records or are caught breaking the law (for additional reasons). That will probably keep them busy for a while.

you do realize that most people in this category are already being deported after they complete their sentence, right?

I am personally fine deporting anyone who entered illegally. If they want to request asylum, go to the CBP station and wait in line like everyone else.

So, you back Biden on this stuff?

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

Yup. My kids are Korean. I've always been worried about a war with North Korea, because I most certainly do not trust my neighbors to know the difference between North Korea and South Korea.
People are stupid, and if the government tries any form of mass deportation, it will make life extraordinarily difficult for people of color, regardless of their actual legal status. Which of course is a feature, not a bug for the MAGAs

During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. Approximately two-thirds of the detainees were United States citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam, the Philippines, and Wake Island in December 1941.

FDR was a democrat.

And today, it's the MAGA Trump camp that would want to do this. TODAY, Dems aren't the ones wanting to round people up. They aren't the ones stoking fears in white America about the replacement theory, or how MX is sending over rapists and murderers.

You are lying.

Why were Japanese Americans interned during World War II? After Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, the U.S. War Department suspected that Japanese Americans might act as espionage agents for Japan, despite a lack of evidence.

Republicans don’t think illegal immigrants are spying on America.

President Roosevelt, as commander-in-chief, issued Executive Order 9066 that resulted in the internment of Japanese Americans. The order authorized the Secretary of War and military commanders to evacuate all persons deemed a threat from the West Coast to internment camps, that the government called "relocation centers," further inland.

FDR put American citizens in concentration camps.

Republicans don’t have any plan or intent to deport American citizens. Deporting people who are illegally in the US is not equivalent to putting American citizens in concentration camps, like democrats did.

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No they don’t.
My DH used to joke about it taking an act of Congress to take his citizenship away. We don’t think that’s such a far stretch anymore.
Now he’s made sure all of our passports are in order and we have copies of his paperwork, including his DD-214, in more than one location. He’s been told by past coworkers that assumed he sought their approval that he’s “one of the good ones”. Maybe they will shield him if things get out of hand.
Hopefully we never have to deal with some vigilante going off doing the lord’s work and taking matters into their own hands.

You should be afraid of armed vigilantes with torches and pitch forks who take it upon themselves to capture "illegals." Mobs aren't smart enough to discern whether you belong here. Look at the Sikhs who got murdered after 9-11. Even Hispanic people got accused of being "Arabs." Look at Trump's praise of the Charlottesville mob. He will encourage this.

+1 this is what I fear: vigilantes going around rounding up "them illegals".

I am Asian American; DH is a white European immigrant. I told DH that if we went to war with China, I could easily see the MAGA mob trying to round up all the "chin*s", including me because I look like one even though I'm not Chinese.

Those mobs wouldn't stop to ask for papers or where you're really from. They just attack. Look at how many Asian Americans were beat up during covid because people thought those Asian Americans brought covid in, and that included patients yelling at Asian American doctors who were trying to help them.

This type of hysteria is what Trump is good at stoking. It's frightening.

Yup. My kids are Korean. I've always been worried about a war with North Korea, because I most certainly do not trust my neighbors to know the difference between North Korea and South Korea.
People are stupid, and if the government tries any form of mass deportation, it will make life extraordinarily difficult for people of color, regardless of their actual legal status. Which of course is a feature, not a bug for the MAGAs

During World War II, the United States forcibly relocated and incarcerated about 120,000 people of Japanese descent in ten concentration camps operated by the War Relocation Authority (WRA), mostly in the western interior of the country. Approximately two-thirds of the detainees were United States citizens. These actions were initiated by Executive Order 9066, issued by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on February 19, 1942, following Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, Guam, the Philippines, and Wake Island in December 1941.

FDR was a democrat.

And today, it's the MAGA Trump camp that would want to do this. TODAY, Dems aren't the ones wanting to round people up. They aren't the ones stoking fears in white America about the replacement theory, or how MX is sending over rapists and murderers.