Anonymous
02/29/2024 16:20
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
That's a bold outright lie of a statement. The majority of the FCPS high school soccer teams are almost entirely made up of ECNL National and ECNL Regional players. Parents like you start to scramble to see what (if any) high school sport your kid can play. Inevitably, the rec players all go to field hockey and then get cut after their freshman year.
I have boys, but I am pretty sure teams called "ecnl" are not usually the lower teams in a club.
True, that is why the high school teams are almost exclusively made up from ECNL players. The notion that rec players are making up a large portion of the soccer teams is a fantasy.
Who said "large portion"?
No one. PP said there were a few rec players on their FCPS HS team, and they beat out at least a few low level travel players for spots.
This indisputable fact seems to really bother people. I don't know why.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 16:18
Subject: Valor
So you disagree with the statement that there are good rec players who are better than players on 3rd/4th/5th travel teams?
Anonymous
02/29/2024 15:59
Subject: Valor
There is not a huge talent pool in the rec level of play after about U10/U11 timeframe. At least travel players on the lower end are trying to move up. They have more practices, do more training outside of the team, play tougher competition and have better coaches. If it pays off they will be moved up or at least get a chance to guest play on higher teams. Most rec players that are good are not facing anything resembling a competitive team and thus will not improve.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:57
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
That's a bold outright lie of a statement. The majority of the FCPS high school soccer teams are almost entirely made up of ECNL National and ECNL Regional players. Parents like you start to scramble to see what (if any) high school sport your kid can play. Inevitably, the rec players all go to field hockey and then get cut after their freshman year.
I have boys, but I am pretty sure teams called "ecnl" are not usually the lower teams in a club.
True, that is why the high school teams are almost exclusively made up from ECNL players. The notion that rec players are making up a large portion of the soccer teams is a fantasy.
Who said "large portion"?
Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:53
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
That's a bold outright lie of a statement. The majority of the FCPS high school soccer teams are almost entirely made up of ECNL National and ECNL Regional players. Parents like you start to scramble to see what (if any) high school sport your kid can play. Inevitably, the rec players all go to field hockey and then get cut after their freshman year.
I have boys, but I am pretty sure teams called "ecnl" are not usually the lower teams in a club.
True, that is why the high school teams are almost exclusively made up from ECNL players. The notion that rec players are making up a large portion of the soccer teams is a fantasy.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:51
Subject: Valor
And, I don't know anything about the girls side, but 140+ boys tried out for our FCPS soccer teams and several players from the local rec league made JV. Some club players that we knew from lower teams were cut. So it happened at least at one school. Shrug. I am assuming its easier to make the girls teams with fewer players at tryouts.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:48
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
That's a bold outright lie of a statement. The majority of the FCPS high school soccer teams are almost entirely made up of ECNL National and ECNL Regional players. Parents like you start to scramble to see what (if any) high school sport your kid can play. Inevitably, the rec players all go to field hockey and then get cut after their freshman year.
I have boys, but I am pretty sure teams called "ecnl" are not usually the lower teams in a club.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 14:17
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Many younger travel coaches are mediocre babysitters at best, even for top teams. There are a number of clubs losing first and second team players from how shitty the coaching is for the younger players.
Mid level travel players only look decent from the above average travel players on the team. Many rec kids can dribble circles around 'mid level' travel kids who are pushed up through the years from doing academy programs as a 7yo.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 11:40
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
That's a bold outright lie of a statement. The majority of the FCPS high school soccer teams are almost entirely made up of ECNL National and ECNL Regional players. Parents like you start to scramble to see what (if any) high school sport your kid can play. Inevitably, the rec players all go to field hockey and then get cut after their freshman year.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 11:26
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Most rec coaches are generous, community-minded people offering up their time and energy for FREE to coach other people's children. You have a nasty outlook on life, in general, I bet.
I agree. Most rec coaches are really nice moms and dads that want to see their kids have fun on the weekend. This is especially true at the little ages (U5-U8), where the most important part of the game is making sure kids are having fun and having snacks and juice afterwards. But I don't disagree that some of the rec coaches at the older ages can get a little too intense. I have seen rec coaches at the older ages scream and belittle kids, referees (who are also kids usually) and opponents. The rec all-star tournament coaches can sometimes bring out the worst people humanity has to offer. At these older levels you will not see that kind of behavior from 99% of travel coaches. If your kid has any talent and you have the means travel is the better option.
Yep. I have one in travel and a younger one in rec. Sometimes we see the older kid rec games when we are at the fields for the younger one. There is more screaming by coaches and parents at the rec games than at my older one's top team travel games. The parents of actual good players stay pretty quiet. I have also noticed this among the parents of the lower travel teams. They are yelling instructions at their kids during practice scrimmages! It's like the adults think that screaming louder and constantly giving instructions will make their kids better players. Meanwhile these poor kids don't know who they should be listening to, and aren't learning how to make decisions on their own.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 11:24
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
There is zero chance any kid on the 5th travel team is making a large public HS soccer team.
Rec players do make our large FCPS HS team every year.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 10:37
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Found the dad whose kid is going to have to go out for the field hockey team in high school (and not make it) because Rec Coach Bob couldn't teach his kid to dribble, pass or shoot.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 10:14
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Most rec coaches are generous, community-minded people offering up their time and energy for FREE to coach other people's children. You have a nasty outlook on life, in general, I bet.
I agree. Most rec coaches are really nice moms and dads that want to see their kids have fun on the weekend. This is especially true at the little ages (U5-U8), where the most important part of the game is making sure kids are having fun and having snacks and juice afterwards
. But I don't disagree that some of the rec coaches at the older ages can get a little too intense. I have seen rec coaches at the older ages scream and belittle kids, referees (who are also kids usually) and opponents. The rec all-star tournament coaches can sometimes bring out the worst people humanity has to offer. At these older levels you will not see that kind of behavior from 99% of travel coaches. If your kid has any talent and you have the means travel is the better option.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 09:39
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Found the dad paying $4000 a year to drive all around and watch Larlo sit on the bench of the 5th Valor team.
At least he's not a lowlife rec player, though.
Anonymous
02/29/2024 09:34
Subject: Valor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many rec teams have a handful of really good players. Most 4th-5th tier travel teams have zero really good players.
There is a reason incoming rec players moving into travel don't all start on the bottom teams.
Most rec coaches are just glorified babysitters that are trying to make sure his DC has friends to play with. There are some decent rec players but they can’t hold a candle to any mid level travel player. And I guarantee any rec player whose dad is coaching is not even average.
Most rec coaches are generous, community-minded people offering up their time and energy for FREE to coach other people's children. You have a nasty outlook on life, in general, I bet.