Can Texas now prosecute her for child murder, or collect a bounty on people who helped her, or whatever they fk insanity laws they have passed down there? Is the women even going back to Texas now? This is election gold for democrats.

also, can the medical geniuses on this thread please chime back in? In your expert opinions, was she sick enough to merit the out of state abortion? Really curious about your views because of your decades of medical experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, she can only hold out so long before her health goes downhill fast

Rs = death panel

Not really. The death panels were to decide if you got care or not. The Rs have just decided you don't get any care. No panel needed.

Anonymous wrote:She's leaving the state to receive care, but still proceeding with her lawsuit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

I thought under TX law she and the people who help her go out of state for an abortion could be held liable. It's that bounty law, or some shlt.

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Anonymous wrote:She's leaving the state to receive care, but still proceeding with her lawsuit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

They will probably now just dismiss it as moot.

Oh. Well. That’s good. See, what’s the big deal? Next time this happens in a week or so the lady can just call a lawyer at the court to see what they recommend, and maybe call a church or whatever, you know for medical guidance, and if the lady is pretty close to being sick n stuff maybe she’s okay, who knows? All I know is Texas, and other states that have banned abortion in 99.99% have shown there are tons of good workable solutions, like leaving the state.

That's the game the state is playing. People bring facial challenges against the law and the state claims they have no standing. They then bring as-applied challenges after the law affects their medical care, and the state claims there's no proof the law actually affected their case, and they should have brought a facial challenge. And now someone brings a case while she is still pregnant, and they delay her case until she's forced to go out of state so she won't die. And then they will argue the case is moot because she's no longer pregnant.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, she can only hold out so long before her health goes downhill fast

Rs = death panel

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Anonymous wrote:She's leaving the state to receive care, but still proceeding with her lawsuit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

They will probably now just dismiss it as moot.

Oh. Well. That’s good. See, what’s the big deal? Next time this happens in a week or so the lady can just call a lawyer at the court to see what they recommend, and maybe call a church or whatever, you know for medical guidance, and if the lady is pretty close to being sick n stuff maybe she’s okay, who knows? All I know is Texas, and other states that have banned abortion in 99.99% have shown there are tons of good workable solutions, like leaving the state.

Anonymous wrote:She's leaving the state to receive care, but still proceeding with her lawsuit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

They will probably now just dismiss it as moot.

I feel terrible for this woman but I’m glad this case is getting so much attention.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance did not say, however, whether the current situation in Texas would merit an exception. “I want to protect as many unborn babies as possible. I also think we have to win the trust back of the American people. And one of the ways to do that is to be the truly pro-family party. I think we are. We have got to carry that message forward and actually enact some public policy to that effect.”

In other news, JD Vance is a POS. https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-said-republicans-171116995.html

They’ve had 50+ years to do anything pro-family and have hardly ever managed it.

How about they start by not beginning to destroy their maternal medical health care systems with these horrible laws.

They’ll wait until otherwise healthy wealthy White women with planned pregnancies start having negative outcomes. Otherwise I don’t think the wealthy White Republicans who want this mess will care.

pretty sure this is why this woman was picked as the test case - the pretty little blond suburban mom.

I still am trying to figure out their justification for torturing her. No matter what happens here, this baby isn't going to survive.

She wasn't picked as a test case. This is real life.

I get that it is happening in real time, but I doubt this case would get the attention it is getting if she were black or brown.

I'm sure her lawyers took this into consideration before bringing the case and making it national.

I know it is a bit cynical and twisted, but we KNOW I'm not wrong here.

And? If she stands a better chance of getting people to vote these fascists into the dustbin of history, isn’t that better? That fewer poor Black (and, this being Texas, Latina) women will die if the law gets changed faster?

I’m sure you’re very proud that you figured this out, but it doesn’t change the fact that forced birth policies are death for women and our rights as humans.

OK, I'm on your side - please chill. I am just saying this is the only way to maybe get through to middle america or whatever. I'm not proud of this at all - it is horrible and disgusting, but we also all know it is true.

I say again, “and.” Surely, you must understand how you sound a little like a forced birther doggedly looking for a point of entry on an attack, yes? Yeah, it still sucks that racism and bigotry and colorism affect the lives of millions, but if we want to change the law, you look for the maximum impact.

And this woman is still losing the pregnancy she wanted and possibly her ability she wanted, even as she’s staring down the barrel of a politically founded murder charge just for protecting her health.

I REALLY think you are reading into things a LOT. But....ok? Our fight isn't with each other. It should be with the horrible people who put women in situations like this.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance did not say, however, whether the current situation in Texas would merit an exception. “I want to protect as many unborn babies as possible. I also think we have to win the trust back of the American people. And one of the ways to do that is to be the truly pro-family party. I think we are. We have got to carry that message forward and actually enact some public policy to that effect.”

In other news, JD Vance is a POS. https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-said-republicans-171116995.html

They’ve had 50+ years to do anything pro-family and have hardly ever managed it.

How about they start by not beginning to destroy their maternal medical health care systems with these horrible laws.

They’ll wait until otherwise healthy wealthy White women with planned pregnancies start having negative outcomes. Otherwise I don’t think the wealthy White Republicans who want this mess will care.

pretty sure this is why this woman was picked as the test case - the pretty little blond suburban mom.

I still am trying to figure out their justification for torturing her. No matter what happens here, this baby isn't going to survive.

And she may not be able to conceive in the future. So they’re inflicting a life long punishment.

Anonymous wrote:I sometimes read the comments sections of Foxnews articles just to see what the other side has to say. I have done this for years.

It's utterly fascinating to read the recent comments section on the couple Fox News articles about cases like these. Republicans saying they will not vote Republican because of their party's extreme stance on abortion. Republicans saying they should give up on abortion as an issue as it's costing them elections. I've NEVER seen the comment section lean this way.

Republicans are in trouble.

Yes, the Republicans are in definite trouble.

The population growth in Texas is about 80% growth in the urban areas which are highly Democratic. The majority of the influx into Texas is in the urban areas. Many Californians who are relocating for work are going to Austin, San Antonio and Houston. Also Galveston, Dallas/Ft Worth are experiencing shifting workers from blue parts of the country. Trump won Texas by 600K in 2020 (5.8M vs 5.2M). The population of Texas increased by 500K just in 2022-2023 and 400K of that increase was in the urban areas.

Additionally, in every state where there has been an election tied to the abortion issue, the Democrats have soundly won. The nation is rough 60% pro-choice vs 40% pro-life. This is why Kansas and Ohio both won state constitutional amendments preserving abortion rights. This is why Andy Beshear won soundly in Kentucky as a Democratic governor in a very Republican state and why the Virginia state congress converted to both houses with a small Democratic majority. In every state where abortion rights was a key issue, the Democrats have won. Texas will be facing this issue in 2024 and all of the national attention on abortion rights on top of the shifting demographics means that any GOP candidate who is tied to the recent abortion legislation will lose several points on reelection. Those from the more rural areas that tend to be highly conservative will probably not lose enough support to lose the elections, but the Republicans in the suburban areas are going to be having a hard time with reelection as the suburbs have always been kind of purple and there are going to be those who lose enough of their support to lose reelection.

I think that this whole thing is going to blow up in the GOP's face in Texas.

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Anonymous wrote:Vance did not say, however, whether the current situation in Texas would merit an exception. “I want to protect as many unborn babies as possible. I also think we have to win the trust back of the American people. And one of the ways to do that is to be the truly pro-family party. I think we are. We have got to carry that message forward and actually enact some public policy to that effect.”

In other news, JD Vance is a POS. https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-said-republicans-171116995.html

They’ve had 50+ years to do anything pro-family and have hardly ever managed it.

How about they start by not beginning to destroy their maternal medical health care systems with these horrible laws.

They’ll wait until otherwise healthy wealthy White women with planned pregnancies start having negative outcomes. Otherwise I don’t think the wealthy White Republicans who want this mess will care.

pretty sure this is why this woman was picked as the test case - the pretty little blond suburban mom.

I still am trying to figure out their justification for torturing her. No matter what happens here, this baby isn't going to survive.

She wasn't picked as a test case. This is real life.

I get that it is happening in real time, but I doubt this case would get the attention it is getting if she were black or brown.

I'm sure her lawyers took this into consideration before bringing the case and making it national.

I know it is a bit cynical and twisted, but we KNOW I'm not wrong here.

And? If she stands a better chance of getting people to vote these fascists into the dustbin of history, isn’t that better? That fewer poor Black (and, this being Texas, Latina) women will die if the law gets changed faster?

I’m sure you’re very proud that you figured this out, but it doesn’t change the fact that forced birth policies are death for women and our rights as humans.

OK, I'm on your side - please chill. I am just saying this is the only way to maybe get through to middle america or whatever. I'm not proud of this at all - it is horrible and disgusting, but we also all know it is true.

I say again, “and.” Surely, you must understand how you sound a little like a forced birther doggedly looking for a point of entry on an attack, yes? Yeah, it still sucks that racism and bigotry and colorism affect the lives of millions, but if we want to change the law, you look for the maximum impact.

And this woman is still losing the pregnancy she wanted and possibly her ability she wanted, even as she’s staring down the barrel of a politically founded murder charge just for protecting her health.

I mean, she can only hold out so long before her health goes downhill fast

She's leaving the state to receive care, but still proceeding with her lawsuit.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/texas-woman-who-sought-emergency-abortion-court-will-leave-state-care-2023-12-11/

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Anonymous wrote:Vance did not say, however, whether the current situation in Texas would merit an exception. “I want to protect as many unborn babies as possible. I also think we have to win the trust back of the American people. And one of the ways to do that is to be the truly pro-family party. I think we are. We have got to carry that message forward and actually enact some public policy to that effect.”

In other news, JD Vance is a POS. https://www.yahoo.com/news/j-d-vance-said-republicans-171116995.html

They’ve had 50+ years to do anything pro-family and have hardly ever managed it.

How about they start by not beginning to destroy their maternal medical health care systems with these horrible laws.

They’ll wait until otherwise healthy wealthy White women with planned pregnancies start having negative outcomes. Otherwise I don’t think the wealthy White Republicans who want this mess will care.

pretty sure this is why this woman was picked as the test case - the pretty little blond suburban mom.

I still am trying to figure out their justification for torturing her. No matter what happens here, this baby isn't going to survive.

She wasn't picked as a test case. This is real life.

I get that it is happening in real time, but I doubt this case would get the attention it is getting if she were black or brown.

I'm sure her lawyers took this into consideration before bringing the case and making it national.

I know it is a bit cynical and twisted, but we KNOW I'm not wrong here.

And? If she stands a better chance of getting people to vote these fascists into the dustbin of history, isn’t that better? That fewer poor Black (and, this being Texas, Latina) women will die if the law gets changed faster?

I’m sure you’re very proud that you figured this out, but it doesn’t change the fact that forced birth policies are death for women and our rights as humans.

OK, I'm on your side - please chill. I am just saying this is the only way to maybe get through to middle america or whatever. I'm not proud of this at all - it is horrible and disgusting, but we also all know it is true.