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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

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Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

You tell the truth! These people are trying to destroy the country, because they are. Installing a theocracy, getting rid of our non political government, supporting corruption - these things are all antithetical to what America is supposed to be. Stop kid gloving people who have already attacked the country once.

Here’s a great example of the media doing the work of the GOP. I think we’d all agree that the GOP’s agenda was rebuked pretty hard yesterday, right? Not according to CNN! “5 Takeaways from new polls that reveal Biden’s challenges and Trump’s potential victory path.” That’s literally the headline. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/trump-biden-election-cnn-poll-takeaways/index.html

“A big night for Democrats Tuesday in state races only highlighted struggles Joe Biden faces in 2024 following polls suggesting he’s far less popular than his party.”

I mean what? You all can say the media isn’t working for the GOP, but I won’t believe you.

Polling data for the Kentucky governor's race consistently indicated Beshear as the favorite to win by at least a few percentage points and Beshear did exactly that. Data from those same polling sources have been indicating a very tight race between Trump and Biden with Trump favored by a small margin overall and also favored in some key swing states. Some media sources are suggesting this should be a concern for Democrats and that is fair and newsworthy reporting in my opinion. Should we just ignore the 2024 election polling data just because the data is not to our liking? Should we not be concerned about Biden's lack of support nationally relative to strong showings by Dem candidates in state and local races? Dems are performing better than usual in many places and in many races but they aren't necessarily out performing the pre-election polling data. Why should we assume Biden will outperform the polling data by enough to comfortably beat Trump? The support for Biden isn't currently aligned with the support for most other Democratic candidates and that should be a concern for Democrats. But yes of course, "fake news", "fake news"!

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

You tell the truth! These people are trying to destroy the country, because they are. Installing a theocracy, getting rid of our non political government, supporting corruption - these things are all antithetical to what America is supposed to be. Stop kid gloving people who have already attacked the country once.

Here’s a great example of the media doing the work of the GOP. I think we’d all agree that the GOP’s agenda was rebuked pretty hard yesterday, right? Not according to CNN! “5 Takeaways from new polls that reveal Biden’s challenges and Trump’s potential victory path.” That’s literally the headline. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/trump-biden-election-cnn-poll-takeaways/index.html

“A big night for Democrats Tuesday in state races only highlighted struggles Joe Biden faces in 2024 following polls suggesting he’s far less popular than his party.”

I mean what? You all can say the media isn’t working for the GOP, but I won’t believe you.

Polling data for the Kentucky governor's race consistently indicated Beshear as the favorite to win by at least a few percentage points and Beshear did exactly that. Data from those same polling sources have been indicating a very tight race between Trump and Biden with Trump favored by a small margin overall and also favored in some key swing states. Some media sources are suggesting this should be a concern for Democrats and that is fair and newsworthy reporting in my opinion. Should we just ignore the 2024 election polling data just because the data is not to our liking? Should we not be concerned about Biden's lack of support nationally relative to strong showings by Dem candidates in state and local races? Dems are performing better than usual in many places and in many races but they aren't necessarily out performing the pre-election polling data. Why should we assume Biden will outperform the polling data by enough to comfortably beat Trump? The support for Biden isn't currently aligned with the support for most other Democratic candidates and that should be a concern for Democrats. But yes of course, "fake news", "fake news"!

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

You tell the truth! These people are trying to destroy the country, because they are. Installing a theocracy, getting rid of our non political government, supporting corruption - these things are all antithetical to what America is supposed to be. Stop kid gloving people who have already attacked the country once.

Here’s a great example of the media doing the work of the GOP. I think we’d all agree that the GOP’s agenda was rebuked pretty hard yesterday, right? Not according to CNN! “5 Takeaways from new polls that reveal Biden’s challenges and Trump’s potential victory path.” That’s literally the headline. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/08/politics/trump-biden-election-cnn-poll-takeaways/index.html

“A big night for Democrats Tuesday in state races only highlighted struggles Joe Biden faces in 2024 following polls suggesting he’s far less popular than his party.”

I mean what? You all can say the media isn’t working for the GOP, but I won’t believe you.

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Borowitz Report

Furious Ohio Republicans Report Widespread Incidents of Women Voting
“Many of our poll workers spotted women going into voting booths and literally casting votes,” a G.O.P. operative in Lake County said.


https://link.newyorker.com/click/33299176.161042/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmV3eW9ya2VyLmNvbS9odW1vci9ib3Jvd2l0ei1yZXBvcnQvZnVyaW91cy1vaGlvLXJlcHVibGljYW5zLXJlcG9ydC13aWRlc3ByZWFkLWluY2lkZW50cy1vZi13b21lbi12b3Rpbmc_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1ubCZ1dG1fYnJhbmQ9dG55JnV0bV9tYWlsaW5nPVROWV9Cb3Jvd2l0el8xMTA4MjAyMyZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249YXVkLWRldiZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJmJ4aWQ9NWJlOWUwZTMyNGMxN2M2YWRmNWY2Nzg0JmNuZGlkPTI5MTM5ODU2Jmhhc2hhPTljMDg0NDEwZDY2N2I5NTM2NzZlYzIzNGYyMGIxZWU3Jmhhc2hiPTIyOGY4ODYyNTQ5ZTk1YmNjN2IzZTgzODNiMzUzODZkYjkxZjEyY2EmaGFzaGM9NGYyZDZhMDk0ODExOWZjZGJjMTljMTJiN2ZlZjlhM2Q5MDVjMTU0NmRjOGIzZmM0Yjk3Zjg5YTA1MzBhYmIxYSZlc3JjPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJzLWZvcm0tc2ln/5be9e0e324c17c6adf5f6784C9f0c15bd

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Borowitz Report

Furious Ohio Republicans Report Widespread Incidents of Women Voting
“Many of our poll workers spotted women going into voting booths and literally casting votes,” a G.O.P. operative in Lake County said.


https://link.newyorker.com/click/33299176.161042/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubmV3eW9ya2VyLmNvbS9odW1vci9ib3Jvd2l0ei1yZXBvcnQvZnVyaW91cy1vaGlvLXJlcHVibGljYW5zLXJlcG9ydC13aWRlc3ByZWFkLWluY2lkZW50cy1vZi13b21lbi12b3Rpbmc_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1ubCZ1dG1fYnJhbmQ9dG55JnV0bV9tYWlsaW5nPVROWV9Cb3Jvd2l0el8xMTA4MjAyMyZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249YXVkLWRldiZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJmJ4aWQ9NWJlOWUwZTMyNGMxN2M2YWRmNWY2Nzg0JmNuZGlkPTI5MTM5ODU2Jmhhc2hhPTljMDg0NDEwZDY2N2I5NTM2NzZlYzIzNGYyMGIxZWU3Jmhhc2hiPTIyOGY4ODYyNTQ5ZTk1YmNjN2IzZTgzODNiMzUzODZkYjkxZjEyY2EmaGFzaGM9NGYyZDZhMDk0ODExOWZjZGJjMTljMTJiN2ZlZjlhM2Q5MDVjMTU0NmRjOGIzZmM0Yjk3Zjg5YTA1MzBhYmIxYSZlc3JjPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJzLWZvcm0tc2ln/5be9e0e324c17c6adf5f6784C9f0c15bd

Anonymous wrote:The Kentucky Governor’s race has predicted the winner of the Presidency in every election since 2003.

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

You can’t deny that most of the major outlets are carrying water for Trump/MAGA.

I don't think they are carrying water. I think the thing is that the D position is treated as the insider position - more closely scrutinized and picked apart, the way you do with your family more than with strangers. Rs are still treated like interesting oddities - covered more as feature subjects than anything else. I think it's just really actually da** hard to cover the Republican party - because they are SO weird, and SO unappealing, and full of such bizarre characters. It's almost just hard to believe that this is an actual group of people who hold 50% of hte offices in America! Like what do you even SAY about them?

But I do think that the media is doing a decent job covering the loss of abortion rights, and some other stuff. And they may be down on Ds in every article - but I think some of that is because these doom and gloom articles speak to OUR team's mood and concerns.

I don't think by and large they are - or mean to - carrying water for the Rs. Anyway, last night shows that even if they are, it doesn't really work (at least not all the time).

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Honestly, you and others should read it (gift link):

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/04/opinion/sunday/glenn-youngkin-virginia-election.html?unlocked_article_code=1.80w.4CzO.yTFgqYbU16P9&smid=url-share

It's not so much cheerleading for Youngkin as describing the space he could succeed in.

So much for that guy! His national aspirations are toast after sticking his name all over this campaign - in an off/off election year for VA - and then losing the legislature.

I do think that if Youngkin RINOs up and distances himself from MAGA, he could come back. But he clearly doesn’t have great political instincts. Going full MAGA was never going to work in VA.

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to win your home state to be president. I just hope Glen still runs

Which President lost their home state and won the presidency?

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Anonymous wrote:Moderate Democrat here. The more I read these results, the more delighted I am. Biden’s moderate approach to Israel didn’t siphon off voters despite what all the far left was screaming about. Banning trans healthcare for kids didn’t win, and I say this as someone who thinks medicalized transition for children is a serious medical scandal but who also feels very strongly that it’s extremely inappropriate for legislators to interfere with medical care (including abortion). Abortion rights were a huge winner and I was afraid that issue had faded out of view. J6 wasn’t diminished in importance. Election deniers lost badly. Youngkin was rebuffed squarely in his attempt to become more MAGA and will hopefully return to being a RINO Republican and then eventually lose entirely (I think he is smarmy).

Essentially these results are an endorsement of some badly needed moderates. It’s a relief.

Your posting twin said the same thing a few pages back and I’ll say the same thing in reply to you: the extremist GOP worldview is being repudiated. You don’t need to both sides this, people just don’t want what the GOP is pushing.

One might think the media would get a clue after today but I’m not holding my breath.

On 538.

Democrats had a great night!

Here’s why it’s bad for the Democrats.

It's the "people don't care about good news" mentality in the media. It's like they care more about the horse race and the drama than they do about the betterment of the nation.

Stop. both. sidesing. this. Had the situations of the parties been reversed last night, we would be treated to trumpets and chariots about how Trump is for sure winning in 2024 and how this is a new morning in America for the Republicans.

But instead the Democrats basically won it all last night and “Democrats won in the following limited skirmishes that will have no bearing on anything in 2024.”

The media is working for the GOP.

This is no less insane when Ds claim it than Rs. By parroting stuff like this, you are actually helping to feed the beast. Yes, most news outlets are at least somewhat partisan in some way. No, “the media” is not working for the GOP. There are plenty of outlets with a liberal perspective (full on: Mother Jones; significant: MSNBC; some: NPR). The media is not a monolith that is all equally reliable or all on one side and it isn’t helpful to pretend it is.

Mother Jones and the Nation are basically the totality of the liberal media, at least in traditional outlets. I like Heather Cox Richardson and think she’s brilliant but unless that one PP who quotes her does so, I generally don’t think of her.

Go look for yourself and really think it through. Trump’s speeches were carried in their entirety in 2016. Every single one of his crimes/scandals/awful quotes/bad executive orders was treated to a one day, breathless flurry of press and then it was dropped unless something happened that was directly relevant to it. Meanwhile the media was dogged in their pursuit of BUTTEREMAILS, as they were in pursuit of BENGHAZI11!. The infamous laptop thing with Anthony Weiner made it above the fold, practically in declaration of war size font.

The New York Times notoriously (but also actually) gets the “man on the street” interviews almost exclusively with Republicans and when they speak to “Democrats” who are always upset with the Democrats, they are often speaking to activists in the GOP. That takes purpose. That takes intent.

All the major news outlets use the GOP framing as the language within which the news is presented. Washington Post has softened its language on abortion bans, for example, after repeated working of the refs by the GOP. No one called Trump a liar and a cheat even when he was, but they hastened to praise him, and when he managed not to poop the bed, “this is the day Trump became presidential.” No, no he did not. Literally every news story about something happening under Biden, bad, good or exceptional, is treated to “here’s why that’s bad for Democrats.”

Yes, the media is working on behalf of the GOP. If you have examples to the contrary, post them in the RW vs LW media thread, because I’m not backing down on this. The media is corporate owned. Corporations are now people thanks to the potted plant Roberts and the rest of his activist judges. They want no regulations and no taxes and only party will give them that; that is who they are working to elect.

You have good examples. But I think it’s really that Trump and MAGA provides a lot of click bait, which drives ad revenue.

It’s the social media business model. Interview the nutcase, open up the comments section, and let the site visits explode.

And if it drive the narrative that the GOP wants, that’s just ducky?

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Anonymous wrote:You don’t need to win your home state to be president. I just hope Glen still runs

Which President lost their home state and won the presidency?

Trump, for one.

Trump won Florida. He is not a New Yorker. They (understandably) hate him.