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Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

THE has a US undergrad ranking which would be the relevant comparison:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. UPenn
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU
18. Rice
19. USC
[/b]20. Emory[b]

This is honestly pretty close to US News’ latest ranking. The only major difference in the T20 is Princeton and UPenn are much higher on US News, while USC isn’t even a T25 on US News.

Vanderbilt is ranked 98 and Emory 82 in the Times Higher Education ranking

Nope, look at their undergrad rankings: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022

This is the correct ranking from THE US rank 2023 (not the 2022 you use). Vandy is 34.
1 Harvard University
2 Stanford University
3 Massachusetts Institute of Technology
4 California Institute of Technology
5 Princeton University
6 University of California
7 Yale University
8 Columbia University
9 The University of Chicago
10 University of Pennsylvania
11 Johns Hopkins University
12 Cornell University
13 University of California
14 University of Michigan
15 New York University
16 Duke University
=17 Northwestern University
=17 University of Washington
19 Carnegie Mellon
20 UCSD
21 Georgia Institute of Technology
22 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
23 University of Texas at Austin
24 Washington University in St Louis
25 Brown University
26 University of California, Davis
27 University of California
28 University of Southern California
29 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
30 Boston University
31 University of Wisconsin-Madison
32 Emory University
33 University of California, Irvine
34 Vanderbilt University

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Anonymous wrote:I actually think this ranking makes a lot of sense. I would personally bump Columbia to #9 but other looks fair

Yea I agree. The new formula seems more fair and the top publics seem to have largely moved up to where they belong.

No, Cal-Berkeley should be top 10 at lest.

It always fascinates me how many people get so involved over this each year when most parents on here are going to have kids who just try to get into a decent state school and save some money. Most of our kids aren’t going for Harvard or Duke, so why the obsession?

Anonymous wrote:UVA moves up from 25 to 24!

UVA is kicked out of top 25 at 26! Some justice finally!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

THE has a US undergrad ranking which would be the relevant comparison:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. UPenn
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU
18. Rice
19. USC
[/b]20. Emory[b]

This is honestly pretty close to US News’ latest ranking. The only major difference in the T20 is Princeton and UPenn are much higher on US News, while USC isn’t even a T25 on US News.

Vanderbilt is ranked 98 and Emory 82 in the Times Higher Education ranking

Nope, look at their undergrad rankings: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022

These are frickin’ meaningless and ridiculous. Even USNWR has turned soft and jumped on the First Gen bandwagon:

In an effort to place more emphasis on social mobility and outcomes, new factors were added to this year's rankings, including first-generation graduation rates, first-generation graduation rate performance and proportion of college graduates earning more than a high school graduate. The definition of social mobility changed this year in the National Universities ranking to include first-generation graduation rates, in addition to Pell-recipient graduation rates.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

THE has a US undergrad ranking which would be the relevant comparison:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. UPenn
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU
18. Rice
19. USC
[/b]20. Emory[b]

This is honestly pretty close to US News’ latest ranking. The only major difference in the T20 is Princeton and UPenn are much higher on US News, while USC isn’t even a T25 on US News.

Vanderbilt is ranked 98 and Emory 82 in the Times Higher Education ranking

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, USNWR jumped onto the DEI bandwagon

How? They literally moved Berkeley, a school that hasn’t considered race for decades, into the T15.

Berkeley is not allowed to look at race in admissions. Instead, what Berkeley has done is look at Pell Recipients which is precisely what USNWR is now emphasizing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thoughts about W&M dropping?

It’s the most expensive public college in the nation for in state students. 60k for OOS as a public with minimal OOS aid. And it’s not particularly diverse or socially mobile (I mean, #280 in social mobility for a public). And it doesn’t have a lot of pell grant kids. IOW, it may be public, but it’s still a rich kids school (or UMC DCUM school). Wonky rich kids from wealthier areas of VA. But, affluent all the same. It was never going to do well under the new DEI formulation.

It’s ranked 6th in undergrad teaching, which is what I care about.

—parent of a WM kid.

But colleges have no say in how many Pell grant kids they take. That is determined after admissions. USNWR needs to change that criterion because it rewards states with poorer populations like Ca over more Econ friendly states like VA

How does Pell Grant work exactly? Sorry if this is a dumb question, but new to this

Anonymous wrote:https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

THE has a US undergrad ranking which would be the relevant comparison:

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. UPenn
13. Dartmouth
14. UChicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU
18. Rice
19. USC
[/b]20. Emory[b]

This is honestly pretty close to US News’ latest ranking. The only major difference in the T20 is Princeton and UPenn are much higher on US News, while USC isn’t even a T25 on US News.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, USNWR jumped onto the DEI bandwagon

How? They literally moved Berkeley, a school that hasn’t considered race for decades, into the T15.

Because, they don't look at race. Read their methodology.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, USNWR jumped onto the DEI bandwagon

How? They literally moved Berkeley, a school that hasn’t considered race for decades, into the T15.

https://www.topuniversities.com/university-ra...2024?&tab=indicators

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

Vandy and Emory ranking quite low on both

Yes, USNWR jumped onto the DEI bandwagon

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings

And another global ranking based on academics, impact and teaching.

It looks like the USNWR took a hard pivot toward “social good” and social mobility.

This is fine- it really just depends what you believe a university should do.