Anonymous
08/05/2023 09:30
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:It is a big scam by rich white people who try hard to promote their school brands as "prestigious" after they send their ALDC kids to these schools for easy majors. Middle-class people should be aware of this. If you blindly think that "Harvard" is such a prestigious name, so you will be all set spending a ton of money, that could be a big mistake.
CMU CS, NYU Stern, GT SFS etc. are more prestigious than useless majors at those school names that keep popping up.
If it's really prestigious, it will be highly valued in society, industries, and the real world.
Harvard English: $49,675
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3
Northwestern Psychology: $61,389
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?147767-Northwestern-University&fos_code=0999&fos_credential=3
Does it look prestigious? They are simply not.
Now
CMU Elect Engineering: $$149,740
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?211440-Carnegie-Mellon-University&fos_code=1107&fos_credential=3
Northeastern CS: $132,227
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?167358-Northeastern-University
Boston College Finance: $110,242
https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?164924-Boston-College&fos_code=5208&fos_credential=3
These seem more serious and prestigious.
If someone throws out some school names and tries to convince you that they are prestigious, it is likely a rich white person with an ALDC kid trying to scam you. Watch Out.
This isn’t rocket science though? Don’t we all know this? All majors are not created equally….
And this is especially important if you were fixated on a high, paying job in finance, Wall Street, or similar, and do not have the personal connections to get there without the school/major
Anonymous
08/05/2023 08:31
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
Hunter came up with this list after a bender. Total nonsense.
Anonymous
08/05/2023 06:54
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
This is a ridiculous list that omits so many prestigious schools (UPenn? Brown? Georgetown? Johns Hopkins? Rice? Vanderbilt?) and you are clearly not in the know. FYI - Stanford is not an Ivy, Notre Dame/WashU/Northwestern/NYU are not public schools so cannot be "public ivies" and no college is really equivalent to a trade school but Duke and UChicago are absolutely not any kind of trade school.
Penn is a satellite campus of Penn State. Not many people actually know this, but credits are readily transferable. This is how people “back door Ivy” themselves.
The other schools in your parenthetical are destitute of prestige.
Stanford is not a member of the athletic Ivy League conference. It is, however, a True Ivy from a prestige perspective.
The term “Public Ivies” does not refer to publicly funded schools, but rather to institutions that are True Ivy approximations but of incrementally lesser stature and are more available to the masses, admit in larger numbers, etc., hence “public” (analogous to how electric is a public utility… it’s not funded by the state, it’s funded by your payments, but is mandated to be available to all and is therefore “public”).
Posts like this raise the stupidity of this thread to a new level.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 22:17
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."
After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.
Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.
Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton
A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech
A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)
Almost everyone's list has MIT, Harvard, Princeton, and Stanford, so there's the answer. I'm inclined to add Yale and Caltech, but as a scientist/engineer who went to MIT, I'm biased on Caltech. As a MIT alum, generally when it came to prestige, we only include Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Yale, and Caltech on par with us. Same as the Harvard kids/alum (but minus Caltech). Duke, Northwestern, JHU? Um no. Go internationally, and HPYSM are the schools that are viewed as prestigious. Chicago, no. But I have a lot of respect for Chicago alums because it is a hard school too.
Someone earlier up also discussed how MIT was good all around academically, including in social sciences. I wound up taking enough security studies classes to get a double major in it. I ended up taking a class at Harvard and most of the readings were from MIT professors.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 19:16
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Be careful with open ended phrases like "generally accepted." It is generally accepted that the Earth is a sphere but there are still a few million people who insist that it is flat.
Here in the United States of America the service academies are hallowed halls. You may not think so but you are in the minority and, in a sense, a Flat Earther.
Cue up all the statistics you like. The measure here for this particular thread is "prestige" and the service academies do enjoy widespread respect and admiration.
A campaign of anonymous snark on DCUM will not move the needle there
I think you live in your own special version of the United States of America; regardless, while appointments to the service academies are respected, the schools are not considered prestigious.
I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, or if you wish others had the same admiration for the military that you clearly do, but the service academies aren't considered "prestigious" - whether it's West Point or the Naval Academy, much less the Air Force Academy or the Coast Guard Academy.
Hugs.
My spouse comes from a country where the military (militias, really) are entirely conscripted. They are always undereducated, frequently untrained, and usually unfed unless they are in combat. The idea of a professional soldier that adheres to a formal code-of-conduct - or of leaders that have an education in history, philosophy, law, rhetoric, etc. is so utterly foreign to them they just can't "get it."
My family - which has graduates from Berkeley, Georgetown, Stanford and Johns Hopkins AND West Point - tries keeps the big picture in mind. We are proud of each one of them.
I will see two of them this weekend and will happily share your hug.
You Mayflower families sure are pleased with yourselves
Anonymous
08/04/2023 19:14
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
Penn State?
Anonymous
08/04/2023 19:11
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:HPSM (no Y)
Oxford
Cambridge
Wharton
Sciences Po
Georgetown SFS
GT, lol. No.
I would take GT SFS over Harvard English.
How about you?
I would take Harvard English if not an ALDC.
If you got accepted to both? Which one would you pursue?
I'll go to GT SFS. How about you?
Georgetown grad here. SFS has plenty of kids who turned down Harvard and I have at least one Harvard friend who couldn't get a Georgetown SFS offer .... found it shocking myself and definitely was not among those turning down Harvard.
Also, add my name to the list of those clueless re Spain and WW III
Anonymous
08/04/2023 18:20
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
This is a ridiculous list that omits so many prestigious schools (UPenn? Brown? Georgetown? Johns Hopkins? Rice? Vanderbilt?) and you are clearly not in the know. FYI - Stanford is not an Ivy, Notre Dame/WashU/Northwestern/NYU are not public schools so cannot be "public ivies" and no college is really equivalent to a trade school but Duke and UChicago are absolutely not any kind of trade school.
Penn is a satellite campus of Penn State. Not many people actually know this, but credits are readily transferable. This is how people “back door Ivy” themselves.
The other schools in your parenthetical are destitute of prestige.
Stanford is not a member of the athletic Ivy League conference. It is, however, a True Ivy from a prestige perspective.
The term “Public Ivies” does not refer to publicly funded schools, but rather to institutions that are True Ivy approximations but of incrementally lesser stature and are more available to the masses, admit in larger numbers, etc., hence “public” (analogous to how electric is a public utility… it’s not funded by the state, it’s funded by your payments, but is mandated to be available to all and is therefore “public”).
Anonymous
08/04/2023 18:12
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:ivies, mit, stanford, duke, northwestern, amherst, notre dame, brown.
IF int'l, include oxford and cambridge.
Add Chicago JHU and Caltech
Anonymous
08/04/2023 18:10
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."
After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.
Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.
Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton
A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech
A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)
You're providing PP's point. There's no "consensus T15 schools."
That's fair, but there was the aggregate rank shared somewhere earlier. To pull it back up, it gives a reasonable idea of what an overall T15 could look like:
So Brown would be a very average school without the Ivy tag
To be honest… yes. What do they actually excel in academically?
No different than Tufts without Ivy label
Anonymous
08/04/2023 18:10
Subject: Re:What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
This is a ridiculous list that omits so many prestigious schools (UPenn? Brown? Georgetown? Johns Hopkins? Rice? Vanderbilt?) and you are clearly not in the know. FYI - Stanford is not an Ivy, Notre Dame/WashU/Northwestern/NYU are not public schools so cannot be "public ivies" and no college is really equivalent to a trade school but Duke and UChicago are absolutely not any kind of trade school.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 18:09
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
This is the most random list I’ve seen in a while
Anonymous
08/04/2023 17:59
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
This came up on another thread, but for those in the know there is a fairly strong consensus:
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
1. True Ivies (Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, Columbia, Dartmouth)
2. Public Ivies (Cornell, Penn State, Notre Dame, Cal, UVA, UT, Michigan, Wash. U, Northwestern, NYU)
3. Legitimate SLACs (Williams, Amherst)
4. High-End Trade Schools (MIT, Cal. Tech, Georgia Tech, Duke, Chicago)
After that you might as well save your money.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 17:06
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
Anonymous wrote:ivies, mit, stanford, duke, northwestern, amherst, notre dame, brown.
IF int'l, include oxford and cambridge.
No one knows about Amherst or Notre Dame internationally.
Anonymous
08/04/2023 17:05
Subject: What Schools Do You Consider “Prestigious?”
ivies, mit, stanford, duke, northwestern, amherst, notre dame, brown.
IF int'l, include oxford and cambridge.
IF int'l, include oxford and cambridge.