Anonymous wrote:Look, I get that these automatic tipper buttons on bills are ubiquitous and annoying AF. I hate them as much as the next guy. But putting them aside, what I’m seeing here are a lot of posters who don’t want to tip generously as a matter of principle. They suck just as much as a tip prompt.

Following principle never sucks. That should be a life lesson.

Look, I get that these automatic tipper buttons on bills are ubiquitous and annoying AF. I hate them as much as the next guy. But putting them aside, what I’m seeing here are a lot of posters who don’t want to tip generously as a matter of principle. They suck just as much as a tip prompt.

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Anonymous wrote:People are just cheapskates now.

In college a couple of “girls” yes we called 18-20 year old women girls worked at a nice restaurant near college and earned enough to pay for college and buy cars.

Tips were all cash back then.

Today a $100 bill your $20 dollar tip on Amex by the time you remove all the credit car fees, payroll taxes, some place they give a cut to bus boys and hostess your 20 percent tip is 10-12 percent.

Also in College way less casual dining places like Applebees. Sit down restaurants were for birthdays, anniversaries, communions, engagement parties or business men on expense accounts.

And in regards to tipping my father worked in a tips placed business from 1955 to 1977. 20 percent was standard tip payable on credit card or corporate account. Was automatically charged. Good customers tipped cash on top. They also bought food, gave tickets to events.

My father had a limo business. I recall in a blizzard at two am he got a call on house phone at two an and rescued a stranded customer. Drove a customer 18 hours one in an emergency. Last minute trips etc.

And my dad also has to tip. Do you think he got reservations to sold out restaurant or hotel or best seats at play for customers without tipping. Do you think I he sat in front of theater or club without buying cops some coffee or tipping bouncer to watch out.

My mom was a waitress too 15 years. She lived in Manhattan and people tipped much better.

Today people are being shamed to tip because they are cheating staff who work there

Back then tips were earned and I bet the folks you talk about here earned it. Today, it seems like an entitlement and a forced money grab regardless of quality of service. Big difference.

This. I mean, first of all, back in the 50s-70s, no one tipped 20%. People tipped 10-15%. You'd get a cup of coffee for a dollar and tip a dime.

But yes, the expectations for customer service were higher. As a server, if you wanted good tips, you needed to smile and be welcoming, be ready to answer questions and respond promptly to requests. Even at a diner with relatively cheap food, but anywhere really. The concept of hospitality as a skillset was alive and well, and the people who made the most on tips were the people who were best at that skillset.

Now there is this attitude that someone working in hospitality has no obligation to be friendly, kind, or welcoming. Perhaps the best tipped position these days is bartending, and there's very little expectation that bartenders will be hospitable. But the expectation is that you will tip 20% on every single drink. 15 years ago this was not the expectation -- it was normal for people to tip a dollar on a drink costing $10 or less, since these drinks were usually exceedingly simple (a beer, a glass of wine, a very simple mixed drink). Now that's considered cheap -- you are supposed to give your bartender $2 for handing you a beer from the fridge. But the bartender isn't expected to be nice about it. It's confounding.

And yeah, college costs are now way, way higher than they once were, that's why you can't pay your way through college waiting tables anymore. When I went to college in the 80s, you could pay for state college by working an of a number of low paying jobs over the summer and living with your parents. That's not possible anymore, even for the least expensive state schools. But that has nothing to do with tipping. I paid for most of my college by working as a summer nanny, I never got tips. But college was cheap.

^^ Sent too soon.. Tipping a cop and bouncer for favors is called corruption in other countries. There's a really thin line between forced tipping and corruption. As a society we need to be mindful of that. What if a group of restaurants decide to put up a sign (or by implicit agreement) that says "no tip, no service" and force you to pay a 30% tip for everything? We aren't too far off from such a corrupt scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:People are just cheapskates now.

In college a couple of “girls” yes we called 18-20 year old women girls worked at a nice restaurant near college and earned enough to pay for college and buy cars.

Tips were all cash back then.

Today a $100 bill your $20 dollar tip on Amex by the time you remove all the credit car fees, payroll taxes, some place they give a cut to bus boys and hostess your 20 percent tip is 10-12 percent.

Also in College way less casual dining places like Applebees. Sit down restaurants were for birthdays, anniversaries, communions, engagement parties or business men on expense accounts.

And in regards to tipping my father worked in a tips placed business from 1955 to 1977. 20 percent was standard tip payable on credit card or corporate account. Was automatically charged. Good customers tipped cash on top. They also bought food, gave tickets to events.

My father had a limo business. I recall in a blizzard at two am he got a call on house phone at two an and rescued a stranded customer. Drove a customer 18 hours one in an emergency. Last minute trips etc.

And my dad also has to tip. Do you think he got reservations to sold out restaurant or hotel or best seats at play for customers without tipping. Do you think I he sat in front of theater or club without buying cops some coffee or tipping bouncer to watch out.

My mom was a waitress too 15 years. She lived in Manhattan and people tipped much better.

Today people are being shamed to tip because they are cheating staff who work there

Back then tips were earned and I bet the folks you talk about here earned it. Today, it seems like an entitlement and a forced money grab regardless of quality of service. Big difference.

+1. I wonder if generation gap plays a role here too.

Anonymous wrote:People are just cheapskates now.

In college a couple of “girls” yes we called 18-20 year old women girls worked at a nice restaurant near college and earned enough to pay for college and buy cars.

Tips were all cash back then.

Today a $100 bill your $20 dollar tip on Amex by the time you remove all the credit car fees, payroll taxes, some place they give a cut to bus boys and hostess your 20 percent tip is 10-12 percent.

Also in College way less casual dining places like Applebees. Sit down restaurants were for birthdays, anniversaries, communions, engagement parties or business men on expense accounts.

And in regards to tipping my father worked in a tips placed business from 1955 to 1977. 20 percent was standard tip payable on credit card or corporate account. Was automatically charged. Good customers tipped cash on top. They also bought food, gave tickets to events.

My father had a limo business. I recall in a blizzard at two am he got a call on house phone at two an and rescued a stranded customer. Drove a customer 18 hours one in an emergency. Last minute trips etc.

And my dad also has to tip. Do you think he got reservations to sold out restaurant or hotel or best seats at play for customers without tipping. Do you think I he sat in front of theater or club without buying cops some coffee or tipping bouncer to watch out.

My mom was a waitress too 15 years. She lived in Manhattan and people tipped much better.

Today people are being shamed to tip because they are cheating staff who work there

Back then tips were earned and I bet the folks you talk about here earned it. Today, it seems like an entitlement and a forced money grab regardless of quality of service. Big difference.

If you tip more and I gift or donate more to others, no one is better than the other.

Anonymous wrote:People are just cheapskates now.

In college a couple of “girls” yes we called 18-20 year old women girls worked at a nice restaurant near college and earned enough to pay for college and buy cars.

Tips were all cash back then.

Today a $100 bill your $20 dollar tip on Amex by the time you remove all the credit car fees, payroll taxes, some place they give a cut to bus boys and hostess your 20 percent tip is 10-12 percent.

Also in College way less casual dining places like Applebees. Sit down restaurants were for birthdays, anniversaries, communions, engagement parties or business men on expense accounts.

And in regards to tipping my father worked in a tips placed business from 1955 to 1977. 20 percent was standard tip payable on credit card or corporate account. Was automatically charged. Good customers tipped cash on top. They also bought food, gave tickets to events.

My father had a limo business. I recall in a blizzard at two am he got a call on house phone at two an and rescued a stranded customer. Drove a customer 18 hours one in an emergency. Last minute trips etc.

And my dad also has to tip. Do you think he got reservations to sold out restaurant or hotel or best seats at play for customers without tipping. Do you think I he sat in front of theater or club without buying cops some coffee or tipping bouncer to watch out.

My mom was a waitress too 15 years. She lived in Manhattan and people tipped much better.

Today people are being shamed to tip because they are cheating staff who work there

You do realize paying off college by working tables back in the day had nothing to do with tipping as college costs have gone up astronomically in relation to inflation

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Anonymous wrote:Do you know why I tip so well? Because every time I see a minimally paid service worker in this area I wonder where they live, how far they had to commute, and how they can afford nutritious food for themselves, much less a family if that is their situation. I have so much .... makes me feel good. The landlords soaking people for every dime make me sick, not the restaurants pushing for tips for their employees.

Maybe you should think about how in Europe, where there is no tipping culture, these same people would have a short commute, better home, better schools for their children, and free health care. Our culture keeps people in their place. We have a society with very little social mobility. These people don’t need your pity; they need better opportunities to begin with starting from when they are children.

Lol what? USA is the most mobile country ever , you can be poor with no money from Vietnam and work your way to be rich and own businesses. It's the path you decide to take and it's not staying at an entry level server job demanding 14/hour, that lazy socialist stuff which doesn't allow socioeconomic mobility

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Anonymous wrote:Just went out this weekend with the whole fam. There was 11 of us. They included a 20 automatic gratuity of 20 percent - 90 dollars. I paid the bill and added another 30.

That’s what nice people do.

This actually raises an interesting point, which is that some customers are much harder to deal with than others. Like a big group of 11 is a PITA for most restaurants. Same with a huge take out order, or ordering with lots of substitutions, or going out with multiple small kids who can't sit still and are noisy.

In those cases, I do think tipping extra is the "nice" thing to do because you are creating extra work for the people there, likely making it harder for them to serve other customers, and just causing additional stress. Having self-awareness about that is good.

But I don't think you need to tip 50% (or even 25% or 22%) if you are just going out to dinner with your spouse or a friend, and ordering off the menu and being polite and patient and causing no problems for them whatsoever. Like OF COURSE the party of 11 should tip more. But that shouldn't be the standard for the quiet party of two at the next table. They don't need to tip extra to be "nice." They are already nice in that they aren't asking for anything more than standard service.

+1. 20% is currently the standard for good service. Above and beyond is additional.

Tell that to the cheap ass poster who inflicts her kids on the server and then under tíos. So far as I’m concerned, a table with kids is almost by definition “harder to deal with.”

You can tip 50%, it your money. Just don't tell others what to do. I think everyone is comfortable with their tipping habits.

You’re right. I can’t “tell others what to do.” But I can call out a cheap ass when I see one.

But you have. Not the brightest lightbulb...

People are just cheapskates now.

In college a couple of “girls” yes we called 18-20 year old women girls worked at a nice restaurant near college and earned enough to pay for college and buy cars.

Tips were all cash back then.

Today a $100 bill your $20 dollar tip on Amex by the time you remove all the credit car fees, payroll taxes, some place they give a cut to bus boys and hostess your 20 percent tip is 10-12 percent.

Also in College way less casual dining places like Applebees. Sit down restaurants were for birthdays, anniversaries, communions, engagement parties or business men on expense accounts.

And in regards to tipping my father worked in a tips placed business from 1955 to 1977. 20 percent was standard tip payable on credit card or corporate account. Was automatically charged. Good customers tipped cash on top. They also bought food, gave tickets to events.

My father had a limo business. I recall in a blizzard at two am he got a call on house phone at two an and rescued a stranded customer. Drove a customer 18 hours one in an emergency. Last minute trips etc.

And my dad also has to tip. Do you think he got reservations to sold out restaurant or hotel or best seats at play for customers without tipping. Do you think I he sat in front of theater or club without buying cops some coffee or tipping bouncer to watch out.

My mom was a waitress too 15 years. She lived in Manhattan and people tipped much better.

Today people are being shamed to tip because they are cheating staff who work there

Anonymous wrote:Do you know why I tip so well? Because every time I see a minimally paid service worker in this area I wonder where they live, how far they had to commute, and how they can afford nutritious food for themselves, much less a family if that is their situation. I have so much .... makes me feel good. The landlords soaking people for every dime make me sick, not the restaurants pushing for tips for their employees.

Maybe you should think about how in Europe, where there is no tipping culture, these same people would have a short commute, better home, better schools for their children, and free health care. Our culture keeps people in their place. We have a society with very little social mobility. These people don’t need your pity; they need better opportunities to begin with starting from when they are children.

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Anonymous wrote:just do 15 and be done with it. 0 for carry outs. i refuse to buy into this crazy tip-sh*t culture we are in

+1
Ridiculous! When I'm prompted I hit no tip. I still consider 15% decent and 20% good. If they want more then that, they need a better job. Once the employers have a hard time with staffing they will raise wages. It's called capitalism.

No, no. You stay home and have the place close. We don't need as many restaurants as we have.
I'd rather have few with good food and good pay, than so many with shitty food, service and workers. Because you keep going and keeping them alive, the workers suffer.

I didn’t realize we had so many slaves in America?!? Last I checked these workers had free will. If they don’t like my (and many other’s) crappy tip and their EMPLOYERS crappy pay they can get another job. Businesses stay alive because of market forces. The same forces that will pay employees a livable wage without our stupid tip culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing. A bunch of rich white professional and allegedly liberal women who purport to care complaining about leaving a few extra pennies as a tip.

The hypocrisy of DCUM is over the top.

It's not hypocritical in the slightest. It's demanding that employers pay their people well and do their jobs. Why is the restaurant industry exempt from every basic business practice that the rest of the corporate world employs? I bet you demand that Amazon pay living wages. What would you say if Amazon required a 20% tip for all delivery people? You'd think that was crazy, right? Same thing. Stop being daft.

Oh, I see, you’re putting the squeeze on the workers to get at their employers. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

“The workers” can find employment outside of a tipping culture. When they do that the employers will be forced to pay more or offer incentives to work there. Again folk, capitalism!

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Anonymous wrote:just do 15 and be done with it. 0 for carry outs. i refuse to buy into this crazy tip-sh*t culture we are in

+1
Ridiculous! When I'm prompted I hit no tip. I still consider 15% decent and 20% good. If they want more then that, they need a better job. Once the employers have a hard time with staffing they will raise wages. It's called capitalism.

What’s your HHI?

Tips have nothing to do with my HHI. My HHI is high; I’m frugal. That’s why I’m rich. I can afford to tip, but would rather pay a higher price than be tip shamed.