Anonymous
07/31/2023 11:27
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore
Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.
I know people love a good train wreck, but you can't convince me that anyone actually wanted to see Iowa play last year
Big Ten member Iowa averaged 1,500,000 viewers per regular season game in 2022. Showing Univ. of Iowa on TV is about as dumb as thinking that an NFL franchise could survive in tiny out-of-the-way Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Iowa averaging 1,500,000 viewers with riveting games like a 6-9 loss to Illinois and a 13-10 win over Minnesota proves the point that the conference and not the teams matter
Anonymous
07/31/2023 11:13
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.
I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.
Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.
https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members
Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.
https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/
In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.
The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U
The ACC has 14 members which play football of which 7 are trying to leave the conference.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 11:08
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore
Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.
I know people love a good train wreck, but you can't convince me that anyone actually wanted to see Iowa play last year
Big Ten member Iowa averaged 1,500,000 viewers per regular season game in 2022. Showing Univ. of Iowa on TV is about as dumb as thinking that an NFL franchise could survive in tiny out-of-the-way Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 11:06
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.
I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.
Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.
https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members
Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.
https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/
In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.
The majority of the ACC know they are better off in the ACC than elsewhere and that FSU and Clemson have no choice for more than a decade. U
Anonymous
07/31/2023 11:04
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore
Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.
I know people love a good train wreck, but you can't convince me that anyone actually wanted to see Iowa play last year
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:19
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.
I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.
Agree that the current rumor is a ploy.
https://aau.edu/who-we-are/our-members
Agree that the Big Ten Conference is unlikely to target Clemson or FSU--but money talks and bs walks. Never say never.
https://outkick.com/big-ten-vetting-expansion-oregon-washington-unc-duke-miami/
In my opinion, FSU 7 about 6 other ACC teams are trying to force change now while major conferences consider expansion and other conferences (Pac-12 and ACC) fight to survive.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:09
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore
Agree--especially with respect to the comment about TCU. Nonetheless, the networks select games which viewers want to see. Ratings reflect which games viewers actually watch. Viewers have multiple choices of football games from multiple broadcast & streaming services. No one is clamoring to see more BC or Duke football on national TV.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:08
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.
I don't think they will ever offer membership to a non AAU school again. They seem to make about about academic qualifications and they have more teams wanting to join than they have space to accommodate.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:06
Subject: College Football--Big Ten Expansion
The Big Ten will never make an offer to Clemson or FSU.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:05
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Anonymous wrote:2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
Rating reflect which games Fox, CBS and ABC decide to air nationally. ND will always have great rating because they always play on NBC. Teams in the playoff hunt will have great rating because they will get national games. If TCU drops a game or two early, their rating will plummet because they won't be on TV outside of Texas anymore
Anonymous
07/31/2023 10:03
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
My speculation is that Clemson & FSU want to light a fire under the SEC, the Big Ten Conference, and the ACC to make offers now as the Big 12 is aggressively seeking new member schools. Immediate full membership payouts to Clemson & FSU from the SEC or Big Ten Conference could fund renegotiated ACC exit fees.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 09:59
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
https://sportskeeda.com/college-football/is-fsu-leaving-acc-cfb-insider-drops-major-insight-ongoing-conference-re-alignment-rumor
Article suggests that 7 current ACC members are working together to break ACC contract & the conference.
Article suggests that 7 current ACC members are working together to break ACC contract & the conference.
Anonymous
07/31/2023 09:44
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
Wild rumor that Big Ten Conference will add several teams soon:
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-expansion-rumors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington
Hard to believe that this will happen this week, but FSU has been frantically searching for a way out of the ACC. Maybe if FSU & Clemson announce their planned departures from the ACC, the league will agree to fold and exit fees will be minimized or eliminated. OR it could be a ploy to get the ACC and broadcast rights holders to grant concessions and renegotiate the contract.
https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-expansion-rumors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington
Hard to believe that this will happen this week, but FSU has been frantically searching for a way out of the ACC. Maybe if FSU & Clemson announce their planned departures from the ACC, the league will agree to fold and exit fees will be minimized or eliminated. OR it could be a ploy to get the ACC and broadcast rights holders to grant concessions and renegotiate the contract.
Anonymous
07/30/2023 21:35
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
FWIW: By contrast, the lowest average viewership schools in the SEC in 2022 were:
Vanderbilt--no numbers available
Missouri--793,000
South Carolina--990,000
Mississippi State--1.1 million
Kentucky--1.35 million
Oklahoma--1.748
U Mississippi--1.753
Arkansas--1.80
Auburn--1.863
Texas A&M--1.87
U Florida--2.57
Texas--3.06
LSU--3.22
Georgia--3.50
Tennessee--4.13
Alabama--5.11
Top SEC expansion targets:
Clemson--2.59 million
TCU--2.20
FSU--2.03
NC State--881,000
UNC--849,000
U Miami--608,000
Vanderbilt--no numbers available
Missouri--793,000
South Carolina--990,000
Mississippi State--1.1 million
Kentucky--1.35 million
Oklahoma--1.748
U Mississippi--1.753
Arkansas--1.80
Auburn--1.863
Texas A&M--1.87
U Florida--2.57
Texas--3.06
LSU--3.22
Georgia--3.50
Tennessee--4.13
Alabama--5.11
Top SEC expansion targets:
Clemson--2.59 million
TCU--2.20
FSU--2.03
NC State--881,000
UNC--849,000
U Miami--608,000
Anonymous
07/30/2023 21:10
Subject: Re:College Football--Big Ten Expansion
2022 regular season average viewership for the 16 Big Ten Conference football teams:
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.
1) Ohio State--5.80 million
2) U Michigan--4.37
3) Penn State--3.05
4) USC--2.07
5) Nebraska--1.98
6) Michigan State--1.91
7) U Maryland--1.864
8) UCLA--1.591
9) Wisconsin--1.587
10) Iowa--1.5
11) Indiana--1.19
12) Illinois--1.17
13) Northwestern--1.13
14) Minnesota--1.05
15) Purdue--870,000
16) Rutgers--618,000
Top expansion prospects for Big Ten Conference:
Notre Dame--3.3 million
U Oregon--2.21
FSU--2.03
U Utah--1.16
U Washington--1.15
UCal-Berkely--857,000
UNC--849,000
Stanford--846,000
Georgia Tech--837,000
U Pittsburgh--650,000
U Miami--608,000
Schools like U Virginia--237,000; Duke--115,700; Boston College--322,000 just don't have enough viewership to be attractive to the Big Ten Conference.