Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:43
Subject: Re:Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.
But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.
+1000
Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.
+1
These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?
This is a good point.
VTech’s admissions priorities have undergone a massive shift. Not every family can afford OOS GTech.
You know OOS GTech cost is close to in-state UVA Eng cost right?
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:40
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo
There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.
American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.
The Supreme Court of the United States has a specific mission to block any sort of discrimination. Yes, Americans have fought for this.
Just drop it.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:36
Subject: Re:Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the event the Supreme Court effectively ends race-based affirmative action, I feel like state and federal reparations are in order to the tune of $2.5 million per person, plus $250k to be used for down payments. At that point, the conversation will have to turn to making sure colleges cast a wide net to avoid ending up with test prepped drones.
maybe if some kids spent more time prepping for an academic exam for an academic institution rather than playing on an xbox, scrolling through social media, playing sports, these colleges wouldn't have to lower the threshold for said group. Just a thought.
Hmm, good look at a particular thought process here…
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:35
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Pretty sure these schools are more full of hooked athletes and donors than minorities. Let's put the blame in the right place.
most people would love it they got rid of ALDC, but ALDC is not about race, so there's nothing illegal about it. Discrimination based on wealth, or lack thereof is not illegal; discrimination based on race is illegal.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:35
Subject: Re:Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.
But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.
+1000
Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.
+1
These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?
This is a good point.
VTech’s admissions priorities have undergone a massive shift. Not every family can afford OOS GTech.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:34
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo
There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.
American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.
Well I am not an adjunct. I am a tenured professor at a top 50 research university. And my point was that the insane push toward ethnic diversity and diversity of other types has to a large extent pushed great students out of our schools. At no point in my post did I say it is NOT common for someone of this kid's stats to get rejected. If you read what I wrote, I said he is not a dime a dozen compared to students who get ADMITTED. The students who are admitted include a very large group idiots. If you don't think rejecting highly intelligent people and admitting idiots is a problem, then I don't think I'm interested in talking with you
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:34
Subject: Re:Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:I am in favor of affirmative action but find the odds presented in that article entirely plausible.
Here's a similar observation from another proponent of affirmative action:
"So imagine kids who have roughly a 1300 SAT score out of 1600 and a high school GPA like - of, like, a 3.8 on a four-point scale - a quite good high school GPA. You'll have many universities where students with those scores and grades, if they are white, are very unlikely to be admitted to the university, whereas if they're Black or Hispanic are very likely to be admitted to the university. And that's going to vary for each school, but these admissions advantages can be considerable." (https://www.npr.org/transcripts/1181149142)
But he also found that "...access to more-selective universities was just fundamentally more valuable to the Black and Hispanic students targeted by race-based affirmative action than it would have been for the white and Asian students who ultimately took their place after affirmative action was banned. .... What I'm saying is just on average, Black and Hispanic students who gained access through affirmative action were deriving substantially above-average gains compared to the students who replaced them."
I think those of us who favor affirmative action have a responsibility to acknowledge what it means. I'm white and have high GPAs and scores, and I'd be fine with them not getting into as a selective a school as they might if they were Black or Hispanic, because they will still have plenty of opportunities at the very good schools they will likely end up at. My kids have Ivy-educated parents and grandparents; they have plenty of advantages, if they want to use them. I do think there should be additional focus on income; I would give a preference to the middle-class Black student, but also to a poor rural White student. But racial differences in precollege achievement are very large, so it can't be purely based on income.
I agree that wealthy white kids will do ok anywhere they land for college because of family money and connections. But I do not think that is true for middle class white or Asian American kids - I believe they also get a bump in life from a top school. For example, our office basically doesn't hire white males anymore. A lower or middle class student no matter their race will benefit from a top college.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:34
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?
Yes, of course.
That would be very beneficial to the country.
To China or the U.S.?
I'm for minimizing international students.
I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.
+1.
Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.
Does NBA only want only one race?
How do you know one is prepped or not??
Also, you are supposed to prepare for all sorts of test, exams, midterms, finals, etc. etc.
If you don't, you are irresponsible and lazy. WTF
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:34
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?
Yes, of course.
That would be very beneficial to the country.
To China or the U.S.?
I'm for minimizing international students.
I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.
+1.
Won’t happen. Too much of a massive cash cow
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:34
Subject: Re:Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether the people suggesting this Asian candidate is a "dime a dozen" can actually point to very many Black or Hispanic students with similar credentials applying to the same schools.
But I can't feel too sorry for this kid because Georgia Tech is a very good school and likely to be more rigorous than one of the Ivies caught up in the diversity Olympics and diluting their reputations.
+1000
Real talent will flow to the research powerhouses like GA tech. Actually Indian Americans have valued these schools for a long time. Im Indian American but went into liberal arts. Doing just fine, but throwing it out there in case people feel a need to stereotype.
+1
These kids and their families want Ivies for the brand name not for the intellectual breadth of possibilities they offer. Why not just focus on the Tech schools, which are very impressive in their own right and offer the focus they actually want?
This is a good point.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:32
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Look, Asian communities pride themselves on being homogenous. The U.S. does not. The U.S. will never have one ethnicity in their schools.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:31
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?
Yes, of course.
That would be very beneficial to the country.
To China or the U.S.?
I'm for minimizing international students.
I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.
+1.
Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.
And as a PP pointed out, they are not going to fill an entire college with stem majors. Not sure why this is so difficult to comprehend!
+1
For people who think they are so smart, they are sure proving to be stupid.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:31
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.
No student is owed admission to any college, regardless of their accomplishments.
People also fail to realize that when affirmative action is overruled, these schools still can't accommodate all the kids with the perfect scores and grades, etc. Then what? There is no way these schools will adopt a system like China or India, which many people would like...
I think it's one thing to lose out to another who has high stats. It's another to lose out because of your race. I'm sure black people know how that feels, right?
What a strangely narrow view that high stats is the whole picture.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:30
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:As someone with a PhD from the Ivy League who taught the undergrads, I can assure all the people saying this guy is a dime a dozen are mistaken. There are so many morons who slip through the cracks of the Ivy League admissions system that it's shocking. I think about 10% of folks in classes I taught probably shouldn't have been in college at all. Others were ver mid, reminiscent of a typical state school student. The fact this guy got rejected by so many schools is entirely indicative of anti Asian racism imo
There are tons of students that have these stats who get rejected - not just Asian. I know a handful, myself. I would imagine those like me also know a (different) handful. It is not as "uncommon" as you would like to believe. Same as it is not "uncommon" to have advanced degree/s from ivy/MIT/top universities in this geographical area (and a few other geographical areas). Just as so many on DCUM are "professors" (usually adjunct) - also a dime a dozen. It has nothing to do with being Asian, but it is a hot topic right now, so someone is trying to draw attention to it.
American Universities have a specific mission to NOT contain one ethnicity of student. In fact, we fought more than one war over this same type of thing. Just drop it.
Anonymous
06/13/2023 08:29
Subject: Asian American student with 1590 SAT score blames affirmative action for rejections from 6 colleges
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Because Harvard should fill its entire class with Asian Stem majors? Srlsy?
Yes, of course.
That would be very beneficial to the country.
To China or the U.S.?
I'm for minimizing international students.
I was assuming Asian Americans, so the U.S.
+1.
Why would the U.S. (or any country) only want one ethnicity in their colleges/universities? So what if you prep exceptionally well? Maybe U.S. colleges and universities want students who are not prepped with tutors, etc. - and that is perfectly fine.
And as a PP pointed out, they are not going to fill an entire college with stem majors. Not sure why this is so difficult to comprehend!