Anonymous
07/26/2023 14:05
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
No- they are speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth.
in your opinion
No- pp at 15:52 said:
“I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.“
“I think there are too many centers of organized religion”
“They provide limited services”
“Preachers, rabbis, and Imams eat up too much money”
“It is an industry”
“People of all religions are tired of that”
pp: what is your religion?
How do you know what people of all religions are tired of?
How much money do you think pastors, rabbis, and imams make on average?
DP - where is the part PP claims to be "speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth."? I missed that.
Or were you just being a little hyperbolic and a lot dishonest?
“Preachers, rabbis, and Imams eat up too much money”
“People of all religions are tired of that”
Anonymous
07/26/2023 14:03
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
No- they are speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth.
in your opinion
No- pp at 15:52 said:
“I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.“
“I think there are too many centers of organized religion”
“They provide limited services”
“Preachers, rabbis, and Imams eat up too much money”
“It is an industry”
“People of all religions are tired of that”
pp: what is your religion?
How do you know what people of all religions are tired of?
How much money do you think pastors, rabbis, and imams make on average?
DP - where is the part PP claims to be "speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth."? I missed that.
Or were you just being a little hyperbolic and a lot dishonest?
Anonymous
07/26/2023 13:57
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
No- they are speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth.
in your opinion
No- pp at 15:52 said:
“I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.“
“I think there are too many centers of organized religion”
“They provide limited services”
“Preachers, rabbis, and Imams eat up too much money”
“It is an industry”
“People of all religions are tired of that”
pp: what is your religion?
How do you know what people of all religions are tired of?
How much money do you think pastors, rabbis, and imams make on average?
Anonymous
07/26/2023 13:24
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
No- they are speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth.
in your opinion
Anonymous
07/26/2023 12:43
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
No- they are speaking for every Christian, Muslim, and Jew on earth.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:46
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Yep. Bud lighted the church.
There are plenty of churches out there that preach conservative politics, if that's what someone is looking for. I think there is a difference between:
a. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance at all (either anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ OR pro-climate science/LGBTQ-friendly)
b. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance with which the congregant disagrees (i.e. my personal politics are conservative and my pastor is preaching in favor of accepting gay members)
If one is complaining that churches are political and one just wants a place to step away from politics and praise God, then that's fine.
If one is complaining that churches are taking political stances with which one personally disagrees, then just go find a new church. There are plenty on both sides of the political spectrum.
I posted the Bud lighted comment and I don't want a church that preaches either left or right politics.
Some churches don't seem to get that.
I don't want a church that preaches left or right politics either, but I think it's impossible to be a Christian without some kind of Christian politics. Pledging yourself to a king, even one whose kingdom isn't of this world, is a fundamentally politically act with political implications in your day to day life. If it lines up with the politics of a party that IS of this world, that's a sign you're doing it wrong, but the church is still going to be asked and answer political questions no matter what.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:40
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Yep. Bud lighted the church.
There are plenty of churches out there that preach conservative politics, if that's what someone is looking for. I think there is a difference between:
a. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance at all (either anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ OR pro-climate science/LGBTQ-friendly)
b. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance with which the congregant disagrees (i.e. my personal politics are conservative and my pastor is preaching in favor of accepting gay members)
If one is complaining that churches are political and one just wants a place to step away from politics and praise God, then that's fine.
If one is complaining that churches are taking political stances with which one personally disagrees, then just go find a new church. There are plenty on both sides of the political spectrum.
I posted the Bud lighted comment and I don't want a church that preaches either left or right politics.
Some churches don't seem to get that.
Churches get forced politics whether or not that want to. Can women be ordained? Can gay marriage be performed? Can gay clergy be ordained? Answer any of those three questions and you've taken a political stance
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:37
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Yep. Bud lighted the church.
There are plenty of churches out there that preach conservative politics, if that's what someone is looking for. I think there is a difference between:
a. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance at all (either anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ OR pro-climate science/LGBTQ-friendly)
b. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance with which the congregant disagrees (i.e. my personal politics are conservative and my pastor is preaching in favor of accepting gay members)
If one is complaining that churches are political and one just wants a place to step away from politics and praise God, then that's fine.
If one is complaining that churches are taking political stances with which one personally disagrees, then just go find a new church. There are plenty on both sides of the political spectrum.
I posted the Bud lighted comment and I don't want a church that preaches either left or right politics.
Some churches don't seem to get that.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:30
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
I'm kinda down on church right now. I love my pastor, but the last 2 education directors hired have been accused of sexual improprieties. These people work with kids. Can't you find better? Kinda done with church for now.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 11:22
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Yep. Bud lighted the church.
There are plenty of churches out there that preach conservative politics, if that's what someone is looking for. I think there is a difference between:
a. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance at all (either anti-abortion/anti-LGBTQ OR pro-climate science/LGBTQ-friendly)
b. Defining politicization of the church as the church taking a political stance with which the congregant disagrees (i.e. my personal politics are conservative and my pastor is preaching in favor of accepting gay members)
If one is complaining that churches are political and one just wants a place to step away from politics and praise God, then that's fine.
If one is complaining that churches are taking political stances with which one personally disagrees, then just go find a new church. There are plenty on both sides of the political spectrum.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 10:16
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Yep. Bud lighted the church.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 10:14
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Can I ask a clarifying question? Was the climate survey a survey about climate change? Or a survey about the "climate" of the church?
Anonymous
07/26/2023 09:33
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
our church recently did a climate survey. the #1 thing people said why they weren't attending, the politicization of church, the focus changed to all the woke movements and the church went too far for the folks attending so they stopped going, stopped giving and the church got slammed in the climate survey.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 09:10
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.
Be glad that PP is now demanding "statistics, data, facts, etc." Let's hope that remains the standard for claims.
Anonymous
07/26/2023 09:05
Subject: Church attendance continues to plummet
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://www.npr.org/2023/05/17/1175452002/church-closings-religious-affiliation
Wow - "Just 16% of Americans say religion is the most important thing in their life, according to a new report released this week by the Public Religion Research Institute.".
"The sharp uptick in the number of younger Americans with no religious affiliation — a group known as the "nones" — is the major driver in a seismic shift in the religious landscape, says Ryan Burge, a political science professor at Eastern Illinois University and author of The Nones: Where They Came From, Who They Are, and Where They Are Going."
What are your thoughts?
I think there are too many centers of organized religions, they provide limited services but preachers, rabbi and Imams eat up too much money. Its an industry. People of all religions are tired of that.
Do you have any reputable citations about the money preachers, rabbis, and imams “eat up?”
Who are you speaking for besides yourself?
You are speaking for Christians, Jewish, and Muslim people? How do you have that authority?
What is your religion and your religious leadership training and education?
pp is expressing their opinion - no religious leadership training, "authority" or specific education needed.
Wow so pp can just speak for 3 entire religious communities?
Is pp a member of any of these religious communities? They won’t answer.
Now they have no statistics, data, facts, etc. They just speak for 3 religions which are compromised of billions of people and then it’s taken as fact and even defended as valid by another poster merely because it’s an opinion.
newsflash: a person who speaks for 3 entire religions is probably off their rocker.
There are 2.6 billion Christians
There are 1.8 billion Muslims
There are 16 million Jewish people
And pp just casually threw their opinion out speaking for all of them.
Who are they to be the spokesperson for all 3 religions? That is extremely arrogant.
They are expressing their opinion, just as you are.