Anonymous
01/04/2023 12:22
Subject: MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:10:14 again- the only way I could ever see MCPS changing on this is if the tide turns against them, i.e. other area districts make the switch en masse. IIRC only Loudon has tried so far.
Many other districts start later than MCPS.
DCPS, Loudon, Arlington, Howard, etc all start later.
Most states start high school later than MCPS.
But somehow people here think logistical issues are unsolvable in MCPS.
Makes me feel like our county is backward thinking and not solution oriented
Anonymous
01/04/2023 10:17
Subject: MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
10:14 again- the only way I could ever see MCPS changing on this is if the tide turns against them, i.e. other area districts make the switch en masse. IIRC only Loudon has tried so far.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 10:14
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
Most of the people here don't get it, PP. Who would have thought that there are actual teenagers who have to babysit their younger siblings or work after school to
help their families?
Who watches these kids in the morning? Do they all have parents that don't have to start their commute until after 9am?
I'm also curious the percent of families that rely on high schoolers to watch their ES students. I just don't know that many families with that large of an age gap between kids, and the percent of them that cannot provide alternative care would only be a subset of that. This is a case where MCPS could throw some money at subsidized aftercare for qualifying families. They waste so much money on stupid programs.
They drop them off to sit outside the school until it opens. That is not an option in the afternoon.
Look, I get it. Studies have shown that later bell times for teenagers increases test scores even when controlling for other factors. MCPS could use an easy win right now to bump scores. But they’ve decided the downsides do not make up for a marginal increase in scores and mental health. That’s a valid opinion too.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 10:01
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
Most of the people here don't get it, PP. Who would have thought that there are actual teenagers who have to babysit their younger siblings or work after school to
help their families?
Who watches these kids in the morning? Do they all have parents that don't have to start their commute until after 9am?
I'm also curious the percent of families that rely on high schoolers to watch their ES students. I just don't know that many families with that large of an age gap between kids, and the percent of them that cannot provide alternative care would only be a subset of that. This is a case where MCPS could throw some money at subsidized aftercare for qualifying families. They waste so much money on stupid programs.
Have you read either of the previous two bell times reports? That might be a place to start.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 09:35
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
Most of the people here don't get it, PP. Who would have thought that there are actual teenagers who have to babysit their younger siblings or work after school to
help their families?
Who watches these kids in the morning? Do they all have parents that don't have to start their commute until after 9am?
I'm also curious the percent of families that rely on high schoolers to watch their ES students. I just don't know that many families with that large of an age gap between kids, and the percent of them that cannot provide alternative care would only be a subset of that. This is a case where MCPS could throw some money at subsidized aftercare for qualifying families. They waste so much money on stupid programs.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 09:22
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
Which elementary schools go to 4:10 pm?
None of them, the later tier ends at 3:50 pm. If you have a late bus, you might still be waiting for it at 4:10. Because the schedule problem is a bus transportation problem, which can't be fixed without either more buses/drivers or fewer students who get bused.
That doesn't mean we can't exaggerate to make our complaints sounds better!
You can always go private.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 09:13
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
What time do you want them to start? The same buses have to serve all of the age populations. Also, the sports start early after high school ends.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 09:08
Subject: MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
When I was in Mcps high school began around 710am
Anonymous
01/04/2023 08:06
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
That's great but it's not just about you.
DP. Precisely. It’s not about any one person.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 07:56
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
Which elementary schools go to 4:10 pm?
None of them, the later tier ends at 3:50 pm. If you have a late bus, you might still be waiting for it at 4:10. Because the schedule problem is a bus transportation problem, which can't be fixed without either more buses/drivers or fewer students who get bused.
That doesn't mean we can't exaggerate to make our complaints sounds better!
Anonymous
01/04/2023 07:55
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
That's great but it's not just about you.
Anonymous
01/04/2023 06:17
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
Most of the people here don't get it, PP. Who would have thought that there are actual teenagers who have to babysit their younger siblings or work after school to help their families?
Anonymous
01/03/2023 22:36
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
Which elementary schools go to 4:10 pm?
None of them, the later tier ends at 3:50 pm. If you have a late bus, you might still be waiting for it at 4:10. Because the schedule problem is a bus transportation problem, which can't be fixed without either more buses/drivers or fewer students who get bused.
Anonymous
01/03/2023 22:19
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
I'd rather my ES kid get out later than my HS kid. It would be an issue for families whose siblings do child care and for HS kids with activities, work, and responsibilities at home. You simply don't get it and want it for your convince. You don't get that HS kids volunteer, in activities and not just MCPS activities, homework, jobs... so if they aren't getting home till 4:30 they'd be going to bed at 12-1 PM every night to get their homework done. My kid is still up doing homework as they had activities after school.
Anonymous
01/03/2023 22:15
Subject: Re:MCPS High School 7:45am for teens is to early
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MCPS is constantly wasting money on new useless initiatives such as Leader in Me.
For a few years, they could just stop wasting money on useless programs and use the money saved to buy school buses.
Who will drive them?
Even if we buy more school buses, we don't have drivers. Are the parents who want earlier school times willing to be drivers?
Are you missing the point on purpose or.....
The suggestion is to switch ES and HS times....that would require no more hiring. Bus A going to HS A at 7:10 now goes to ES A at 7:10 and goes to HS A at 8:10, the elementary school's previous time. It's not difficult. There is absolutely no reason elementary school students should be in a classroom at 4:10 pm, but this is the norm around here. I tell my friends around the country and they are all baffled.
Which elementary schools go to 4:10 pm?