Anonymous
11/02/2022 15:50
Subject: Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
What exacerbates this is if the front office staff in Drs offices are rude to patients. It makes a big difference if when you come in people are pleasant, and they update you on how late the Dr. is running. For example, when I had little kids keeping an 18 month old in an exam room for an hour and a half is tough - why not tell the people, you can wait or go to the play ground next door and come back in an hour etc.. I find I don't mind the wait with doctors whose staff give me a realistic eta and updates. I had one dr. where someone opened the door and turned out the light while i was waiting with a broken leg. They didn't even see me there.
Anonymous
10/27/2022 12:44
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Wow. Do doctors actually think that poor scheduling gives the impression of better medical care?
If you can’t manage your time how can I expect you to manage my medical care?
That's not how it works, but I think finding someone who meets your needs is good. I wish you all the luck.
Do you think doctors who run over and don’t keep their schedule provide better medical care than those who do?
This was your comment:
“ Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time. ”
Doctors can run late for many reasons; providing quality care is one of them. It's a.... logic puzzle.
Not all doctors who run late provide quality care, but very few doctors who run on time do.
I do think it is not possible to both provide quality care and stay on the 15/30 minute schedule in my field anyway. It is possible to do a very focused, high quality exam in that time. It's not possible to see the big picture.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 20:36
Subject: Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
"Waiter, this food is absolutely atrocious, and there is far too little of it."
Anonymous
10/26/2022 19:22
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Wow. Do doctors actually think that poor scheduling gives the impression of better medical care?
If you can’t manage your time how can I expect you to manage my medical care?
That's not how it works, but I think finding someone who meets your needs is good. I wish you all the luck.
Do you think doctors who run over and don’t keep their schedule provide better medical care than those who do?
This was your comment:
“ Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time. ”
Anonymous
10/26/2022 19:20
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
Sure they could do this and charge you twice as much. And since doctors would see half as many patients, the wait time for an appointment would double. You'd just have something new to complain about.
Lord, your post above shows you absolutely don't understand scheduling. Seeing half the patients doubles wait times ONLY IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A CALENDAR. I'm beginning to see the real issue. You guys have no ability to manage and deal with a calendar.
Let me help you with the math.
If a doctor schedules 4 15-minute appointments for one hour, but his second patient takes 30 mins, and the third patient takes 25 mins, he will be late to see the 4th patient by 25 minutes. You can see how this problem is exacerbated as the day goes on.
You propose that they fix this problem by scheduling longer appointments. Now in that same one-hour block, he can schedule 2 patients. 16 patients over an 8-hour day instead of 32.
Now you want an appointment with this doctor. Well, so do 96 other people. Normally he would see those 96 patients in 3 days, and he could see you on day 4. But now it will take him 6 days to see those patients. Throw in a weekend, and you won't get in to see the doctor for 8 days instead of 3.
I can't believe I had to explain this 3rd grade math to a grown adult.
DP
What is the average time you spend with patients scheduled for 15 min?
What % of your 15 min appts run over?
Ideally, you’d keep a log and get a better feel for distribution of time spent.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 18:52
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
You are actually correct on all counts.
This is why I am fully booked
Anonymous
10/26/2022 18:50
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Wow. Do doctors actually think that poor scheduling gives the impression of better medical care?
If you can’t manage your time how can I expect you to manage my medical care?
That's not how it works, but I think finding someone who meets your needs is good. I wish you all the luck.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 18:48
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
I can probably count on one hand the number of times I've had an interaction with a doctor that lasted more than five minutes. Which is totally fine. I'm not there to chit chat.
I sometimes get patients like that, and I am super grateful to them (you!). They make up for 15 minute appointments that need full 45 minute of my time.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 18:47
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
I waited almost 2 hours for a recent appointment. There had been an "emergency." I was very grateful that the doctor spent about a half hour with me.
I bet you were scheduled for 15 minutes. That's why the doc runs late. You saw someone who actually took the time to take care of you. Please value that.
I wish we had a different medical system, but we don't.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 18:16
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
Sure they could do this and charge you twice as much. And since doctors would see half as many patients, the wait time for an appointment would double. You'd just have something new to complain about.
Lord, your post above shows you absolutely don't understand scheduling. Seeing half the patients doubles wait times ONLY IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A CALENDAR. I'm beginning to see the real issue. You guys have no ability to manage and deal with a calendar.
Let me help you with the math.
If a doctor schedules 4 15-minute appointments for one hour, but his second patient takes 30 mins, and the third patient takes 25 mins, he will be late to see the 4th patient by 25 minutes. You can see how this problem is exacerbated as the day goes on.
You propose that they fix this problem by scheduling longer appointments. Now in that same one-hour block, he can schedule 2 patients. 16 patients over an 8-hour day instead of 32.
Now you want an appointment with this doctor. Well, so do 96 other people. Normally he would see those 96 patients in 3 days, and he could see you on day 4. But now it will take him 6 days to see those patients. Throw in a weekend, and you won't get in to see the doctor for 8 days instead of 3.
I can't believe I had to explain this 3rd grade math to a grown adult.
The practice would go under before they got to the PPs appointment because practices can’t survive on 2 patients an hour (when about 20% will no show on average)
Anonymous
10/26/2022 17:32
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
Sure they could do this and charge you twice as much. And since doctors would see half as many patients, the wait time for an appointment would double. You'd just have something new to complain about.
Lord, your post above shows you absolutely don't understand scheduling. Seeing half the patients doubles wait times ONLY IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A CALENDAR. I'm beginning to see the real issue. You guys have no ability to manage and deal with a calendar.
What the hell do YOU do for a job that you can hang out here all day trashing doctors? It can't be anything that requires too much organization or skill.
Lol, you guys are a joke. I able to keep my job and highlight pernicious problems you folks refuse to address because I have great time management skills.
I'm not a doctor, just someone who understands that the problems with the US health care system are bigger than any one doctor.
You realize that there are practices that run on time, right? And many many of them take insurance.
Jesus lady go to one of them then!
I do and it's awesome! I am reminding the posters here that they don't need to deal with the likes of you.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 17:25
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
Sure they could do this and charge you twice as much. And since doctors would see half as many patients, the wait time for an appointment would double. You'd just have something new to complain about.
Lord, your post above shows you absolutely don't understand scheduling. Seeing half the patients doubles wait times ONLY IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A CALENDAR. I'm beginning to see the real issue. You guys have no ability to manage and deal with a calendar.
Let me help you with the math.
If a doctor schedules 4 15-minute appointments for one hour, but his second patient takes 30 mins, and the third patient takes 25 mins, he will be late to see the 4th patient by 25 minutes. You can see how this problem is exacerbated as the day goes on.
You propose that they fix this problem by scheduling longer appointments. Now in that same one-hour block, he can schedule 2 patients. 16 patients over an 8-hour day instead of 32.
Now you want an appointment with this doctor. Well, so do 96 other people. Normally he would see those 96 patients in 3 days, and he could see you on day 4. But now it will take him 6 days to see those patients. Throw in a weekend, and you won't get in to see the doctor for 8 days instead of 3.
I can't believe I had to explain this 3rd grade math to a grown adult.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 16:53
Subject: Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
I had concierge doctors running on time but telling me bs. One of them is a specialist who had a website with fictitious services. This is why sometimes I accept waiting 10-15 min just to see a non-bs doctor.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 16:42
Subject: Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You all need to go concierge if you want a higher level of service than the masses.
Disagree. I'm with Kaiser and have never waited like this. I actually saw a pediatric cardiologist today. Zero wait, spent 15 minutes with the doctor, had an EKG done. I was out the door in under 30 minutes from start to finish.
While Kaiser doesn't allow you to get whatever you want done (like cosmetic dermatology), I've never had them deny anything needed.
Ehhh I have Kaiser too and we typically have to wait at least 20 minutes, often more, for the pediatrician. She is always, always late even for early morning appointments. I once waited in an exam room for over an hour to see my then-PCP, nobody came to tell me what was going on so I had to threaten to leave.
Anonymous
10/26/2022 16:37
Subject: Re:Doctor was 45 minutes late after appointment time
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a provider, I often run late because I actually listen to my patients.
If a patient complains about the timing, I apologize profusely and then do my absolute best to see them in 5 minutes or less. It is what they wanted me to do with the ithrrs, so that is what they can have.
I work in an obgyn field. Every time you read about maternal mortality and morbidity in the USA, or that it takes 10+ years to diagnose endometriosis (takes a 15-20 min detailed interview), I assure you these docs run on time.
I would love to have a scheduled 30 min appt to see each patient, but it is unrealistic.
Listen doctors, your patients are not morons. We know the doctors that run late because they spend time with each patient, listening attentively, and the ones who cannot manage themselves if their practice depends on it. We know when doctors are late for emergencies -- because when it's an actual emergency -- the staff and doctor let you know. We know when are BSing us because you were late due to bad scheduling.
You actually could schedule 30 min appt per patient. You've just decided that it's not financially worth it for you.
Sure they could do this and charge you twice as much. And since doctors would see half as many patients, the wait time for an appointment would double. You'd just have something new to complain about.
Lord, your post above shows you absolutely don't understand scheduling. Seeing half the patients doubles wait times ONLY IF YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW TO MANAGE A CALENDAR. I'm beginning to see the real issue. You guys have no ability to manage and deal with a calendar.
What the hell do YOU do for a job that you can hang out here all day trashing doctors? It can't be anything that requires too much organization or skill.
Lol, you guys are a joke. I able to keep my job and highlight pernicious problems you folks refuse to address because I have great time management skills.
I'm not a doctor, just someone who understands that the problems with the US health care system are bigger than any one doctor.
You realize that there are practices that run on time, right? And many many of them take insurance.
Jesus lady go to one of them then!