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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

It was rooted in Victorian "morality" and in doctors (who were an emerging profession) that were trying to drive midwives out of business (i.e., competition).

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

It’s so funny to me when they ask these questions they’re sure are gotcha questions and they just won the argument. It’s almost like they don’t understand that the anti abortion movement in the US was a response to desegregating schools and is rooted in racism, and it’s not a common value that’s been near and dear to every American’s heart since the signing of the Declaration of Independence.

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Uh... yes? This is from a book published by Ben Franklin telling ladies how to get their menstrual cycles back (for when they, you know, mysteriously don't come when you expect them to...):

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

And there are product advertisements from the 1800s like this. You hardly have to read between the lines to understand what removing an "obstruction" for "married ladies whose health forbid too rapid an increase of family" is about... https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/08/history-of-contraception-19th-century-classified-ads-for-abortifacients-and-contraceptives.html

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

Now I am upon Female Infirmities, it will not be unreasonable to touch upon a common Complaint among unmarried women, namely The Suppression of the Courses. This don’t only disparage their Complexions, but fills them besides with sundry Disorders. For this Misfortune, you must purge with Highland Flagg (commonly called Belly ach Root) a Week before you expect to be out of Order ; and repeat the same two Days after: the next Morning drink a Quarter of a Pint of Pennyroyal Water, or Decoction, and as much again at Night when you go to Bed. Continue this 9 Days running ; and after resting 3 Days, go on with it for 9 more. Ride out every fair Day, stir nimbly about your Affairs, and breathe as much as possible in the open Air...

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

The founders believed in abortion on-demand?

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Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

They messed up if you believe in the Constitution and what the founders believed. They’re right on track if you want a christofascist dictatorship.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a good way to kill the bill. Tie a rider onto the bill so that if a woman who is the victim of rape or incest gets pregnant, and is not allowed to get an abortion, then the man who impregnated her gets a forced vasectomy so that he cannot impregnate another woman again. Since rape and incest are crimes in most jurisdictions, this can be added to sentencing rules.

I bet you, once you add medical control of men to the law, that no politician will touch it with a 6 inch pole.

As good as it sounds to hold men responsible and also make them lose bodily autonomy like women do, there are caveats. What if we have a situation where a man is wrongfully accused? What if it's your teenage son? Situations like this happen. And with some states introducing harsh abortion bans while still allowing them in case of rape you can predict that there will be more of these situations where pregnant women unable to get early abortions would accuse men they had consensual sex with of rape. It would be a move of despair on part of women, but it would create unwanted ripples for men too. Complete abortion bans hurt everybody and society as a whole.

Anonymous wrote:Here's a good way to kill the bill. Tie a rider onto the bill so that if a woman who is the victim of rape or incest gets pregnant, and is not allowed to get an abortion, then the man who impregnated her gets a forced vasectomy so that he cannot impregnate another woman again. Since rape and incest are crimes in most jurisdictions, this can be added to sentencing rules.

I bet you, once you add medical control of men to the law, that no politician will touch it with a 6 inch pole.

Anonymous wrote:A federal Constitutional right cannot be left to the states. Supreme Court is so dang wrong on this one. They really messed up.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies, I have not read the entire thread, but I have to ask: Have JD Vance, Herschel Walker and/or Dr. Oz made any statements on Graham’s bill? We need to get them on the record.

North Carolina’s Ted Budd is all in on Graham’s bill:
https://amp.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article265847886.html

And so is Marco Rubio in Florida:
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2022/09/14/rubio-federal-abortion-ban-florida-dems-00056724

In Nevada, “Adam Laxalt campaign spokesman Brian Freimuth would not say whether Laxalt, if elected, would vote for Graham's 15-week ban.”
https://www.governing.com/now/nevada-candidates-have-mixed-response-to-potential-abortion-ban?_amp=true

In New Hampshire, Don Bolduc said this: “It doesn’t make sense,” Bolduc told Fox News, adding that abortion laws are better left to each individual state. “Women on both sides of the issue will get a better voice at the state level.” Of course Fox News didn’t appear to follow up and ask whether he would vote on Graham’s bill or not if elected .
https://www.seacoastonline.com/story/news/politics/2022/09/14/nh-don-bolduc-pivots-15-week-abortion-ban-lindsey-graham-legislation-sen-hassan-speaks-out/10382632002/

Thanks for the info. I think we can be pretty certain that any of these candidates would be happy to provide the deciding vote in favor of Graham’s bill. It’s all on the line now. Elections have consequences.