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Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

One hundred percent and it’s been this way from the state I came from. This is becoming the norm because as you mentioned the research proven to show teens rhythm for sleep.

It turns out young children have rhythms for sleep too.

They do! They mostly get up well before their teen siblings.

Mine do but it's because I make them go to bed early. You should try that with your high school especially if they're tired. It runs out their rhythms are very flexible.

Did you not read the academic post a few posts above yours. Parenting is not the issue despite your claims

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Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

One hundred percent and it’s been this way from the state I came from. This is becoming the norm because as you mentioned the research proven to show teens rhythm for sleep.

It turns out young children have rhythms for sleep too.

They do! They mostly get up well before their teen siblings.

Mine do but it's because I make them go to bed early. You should try that with your high school especially if they're tired. It runs out their rhythms are very flexible.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

One hundred percent and it’s been this way from the state I came from. This is becoming the norm because as you mentioned the research proven to show teens rhythm for sleep.

It turns out young children have rhythms for sleep too.

They do! They mostly get up well before their teen siblings.

Adolescents internal clocks conflict with high school start times. Studies have proven that adolescents have trouble staying awake in early classes because of their biological clocks, not lethargy or lack of parental discretion.
Housed in the hypothalamus, the biological clock is composed of 10,000 cells which control when one sleeps. Researchers have found that adolescents biological clocks typically keeps teens awake until at least 11 pm.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

One hundred percent and it’s been this way from the state I came from. This is becoming the norm because as you mentioned the research proven to show teens rhythm for sleep.

It turns out young children have rhythms for sleep too.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. 14 pages of Karens huffing and puffing on a DOA subject.

The only reason later start times is DOA is because MCPS and the BOE fail to put the needs of students first. If Dr. McKnight was serious about her slogan for the school year then she would support the idea.

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Yes they fail to put the needs of some students ahead of other students to address the whims of a some parents who fail to grasp your actions affect others

This. Wealthy parents can't get their kids to bed at a reasonable time and claim early starts harm their children. They fail to realize that not everyone is in the same situation. Find a new hobby please, this one has been discussed and decided.

I’m not sure I understand your comment. I teach at a high school with majority lower income kids and they go to bed crazy late. Many of them either sleep through first period or come late (towards the end of first period). Some of them work at restaurants and often get home from work at 1 am. They would greatly benefit from a later school start.

Think about this. They stat later and get out of school later, and still have to work the same hours so they get home later and bed even later. That does not fix the problem but makes the problem worse.

A later start time would help them. Many of these kids are working 7-11 pm or 7.30 pm-12 am. Not sure why they are working these late hours exactly but they are. Or they are home on their phone until 1 am. During winter break, many of these kids will stay up until 4 am. Many teenagers, not all, are night owls. Once puberty hits, sleep patterns shift.

This is a parenting issue. Welcome to the real world.

You know nothing about adolescent growth and development. I hope you have younger kids and not teenagers.

And clearly you know less since you aren't able to grasp that its a parenting issue.

It is not a parenting issue. Ask any health expert who actually works with teens

Your inability to set a bedtime for your children is a parenting issue.

Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

Clearly you have anxiety about having to parent and discipline your kids.

It would not work for our kids. They are in private after school sports and other activities, some two a day, plus homework, shower and meals. If you pushed it back, there is no way to get sports in given the sports schedules. Not everyone gets free MCPS sports.

Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

Have you read the report? The research was clear at the time but the downsides outweighed the benefits. Nothing has changed since that time, either in terms of the research, the financial cost, or the impact on low-income families.

I was surprise myself when I realized how early the high schoolers go to school here. It’s even earlier than the average.

Anonymous wrote:As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

One hundred percent and it’s been this way from the state I came from. This is becoming the norm because as you mentioned the research proven to show teens rhythm for sleep.

As expected, there is a lot of pushback because most people are resistant to change so they reflexively reject it.
People get used to things and their anxiety kicks in - what if the change in school times makes things worse for my family.
MCPS should examine this issue one more time because a lot of new research has come out on this topic in the last few years

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. 14 pages of Karens huffing and puffing on a DOA subject.

The only reason later start times is DOA is because MCPS and the BOE fail to put the needs of students first. If Dr. McKnight was serious about her slogan for the school year then she would support the idea.

+100

Yes they fail to put the needs of some students ahead of other students to address the whims of a some parents who fail to grasp your actions affect others

This. Wealthy parents can't get their kids to bed at a reasonable time and claim early starts harm their children. They fail to realize that not everyone is in the same situation. Find a new hobby please, this one has been discussed and decided.

I’m not sure I understand your comment. I teach at a high school with majority lower income kids and they go to bed crazy late. Many of them either sleep through first period or come late (towards the end of first period). Some of them work at restaurants and often get home from work at 1 am. They would greatly benefit from a later school start.

Think about this. They stat later and get out of school later, and still have to work the same hours so they get home later and bed even later. That does not fix the problem but makes the problem worse.

A later start time would help them. Many of these kids are working 7-11 pm or 7.30 pm-12 am. Not sure why they are working these late hours exactly but they are. Or they are home on their phone until 1 am. During winter break, many of these kids will stay up until 4 am. Many teenagers, not all, are night owls. Once puberty hits, sleep patterns shift.

This is a parenting issue. Welcome to the real world.

You know nothing about adolescent growth and development. I hope you have younger kids and not teenagers.

And clearly you know less since you aren't able to grasp that its a parenting issue.

Yes, parents who know that teens need to sleep late and that school starting early is an issue that needs to be fixed. Glad you know as well.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL. 14 pages of Karens huffing and puffing on a DOA subject.

The only reason later start times is DOA is because MCPS and the BOE fail to put the needs of students first. If Dr. McKnight was serious about her slogan for the school year then she would support the idea.

+100

Yes they fail to put the needs of some students ahead of other students to address the whims of a some parents who fail to grasp your actions affect others

This. Wealthy parents can't get their kids to bed at a reasonable time and claim early starts harm their children. They fail to realize that not everyone is in the same situation. Find a new hobby please, this one has been discussed and decided.

I’m not sure I understand your comment. I teach at a high school with majority lower income kids and they go to bed crazy late. Many of them either sleep through first period or come late (towards the end of first period). Some of them work at restaurants and often get home from work at 1 am. They would greatly benefit from a later school start.

Think about this. They stat later and get out of school later, and still have to work the same hours so they get home later and bed even later. That does not fix the problem but makes the problem worse.

That's way too logical and complicated. These posters believe that by starting school later there will magically be more hours in the day.

No, it would allow more time for teens to get their sleep. Too logical and complicated for you, I see.

New Jersey is trying to push high school start times later.
Wonder why they don’t listen to the experts on DC Urban Moms and blame parents for not parenting their teens and ordering them to go to bed earlier.

https://amp.northjersey.com/amp/7232296001

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LOL. 14 pages of Karens huffing and puffing on a DOA subject.

The only reason later start times is DOA is because MCPS and the BOE fail to put the needs of students first. If Dr. McKnight was serious about her slogan for the school year then she would support the idea.

+100

Yes they fail to put the needs of some students ahead of other students to address the whims of a some parents who fail to grasp your actions affect others

This. Wealthy parents can't get their kids to bed at a reasonable time and claim early starts harm their children. They fail to realize that not everyone is in the same situation. Find a new hobby please, this one has been discussed and decided.

I’m not sure I understand your comment. I teach at a high school with majority lower income kids and they go to bed crazy late. Many of them either sleep through first period or come late (towards the end of first period). Some of them work at restaurants and often get home from work at 1 am. They would greatly benefit from a later school start.

Think about this. They stat later and get out of school later, and still have to work the same hours so they get home later and bed even later. That does not fix the problem but makes the problem worse.

A later start time would help them. Many of these kids are working 7-11 pm or 7.30 pm-12 am. Not sure why they are working these late hours exactly but they are. Or they are home on their phone until 1 am. During winter break, many of these kids will stay up until 4 am. Many teenagers, not all, are night owls. Once puberty hits, sleep patterns shift.

This is a parenting issue. Welcome to the real world.

You know nothing about adolescent growth and development. I hope you have younger kids and not teenagers.

And clearly you know less since you aren't able to grasp that its a parenting issue.

It is not a parenting issue. Ask any health expert who actually works with teens