Anonymous
07/23/2024 17:06
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
VP choices can and do hurt. Palin hurt McCain significantly. Vance amplifies the biggest gaping sore in the Republican policy platform - abortion and woman. Vance amplifies woman hating and scares independent women away.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:57
Subject: Re:What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Vance won't GET Trump any votes, they did it for LOLZ because they thought Biden was going to stay in.
But he DEFINITELY can lose votes. Like women. And the business community.
And he's had a big break up with Thiel who seems genuinely deeply distressed at the idea of Vance being VP. I don't feel a lot of sympathy for Thiel, but when THAT guy is freaked out it says something
But he DEFINITELY can lose votes. Like women. And the business community.
And he's had a big break up with Thiel who seems genuinely deeply distressed at the idea of Vance being VP. I don't feel a lot of sympathy for Thiel, but when THAT guy is freaked out it says something
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:55
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
He's an opportunist and a liar.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:52
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.
Again. Trumps base alone isn’t enough. Ask 2020 about that and then consider all the Gen Z who started voting since and all the Boomers who died. Mathematically, Cult Trump is large. But not 50% of the swing states large. He needs some independents. That’s what the VP pick did. Pence was great because he got the jittery traditional Republicans plus reassured Evangelics that the guy with no morals was okay, so they didn’t stay home. Without that, those 100k votes would have gone to HRC. Vance gets him no one outside his cult.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:51
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
Disagree. Kamala’s VP pick will move votes...but only if she goes with someone like Kelly.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:51
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
True, except Haley became just another nobody when she endorsed Trump. What a hypocrite. And Vance! I can't even. What can lust for power make someone do?! It's repulsive.
+2 Dem here. I was looking at Nikki with interest, she definitely got my attention. Her endorsement of Trump was a disappointment, but then I remembered—this is the Republican Party, so no one should have been surprised.
The thing that made her special was the way she stood up to that jerk.
It's crazy how he gutted the heart of the GOP and made them all look like spineless cowards... great if he wins, but a disaster if he loses. Everyone in the GOP thinks Marco, Ted and Haley are spineless losers, which the rest of us knew, but that was their next 30 years of party leaders!
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:48
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
Trump can’t win with just his base. Winning vs losing is swaying under half a million independents in the right combo of 6-7 states. The issue isn’t either party’s base. It’s swaying the independents in the right states.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:46
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
True, except Haley became just another nobody when she endorsed Trump. What a hypocrite. And Vance! I can't even. What can lust for power make someone do?! It's repulsive.
+2 Dem here. I was looking at Nikki with interest, she definitely got my attention. Her endorsement of Trump was a disappointment, but then I remembered—this is the Republican Party, so no one should have been surprised.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:45
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
“MIDDLETOWN, Ohio –– Ohio Sen. JD Vance said Monday he would fight for “forgotten communities all across our country” if elected as vice president, channeling his small town Ohio upbringing into a populist economic message.
“My life wasn't all that different from a lot of people who grew up in Middletown, Ohio,” he said. “It was tough, but it was surrounded by loving people, and it was surrounded by something that if we don't fight for is not going to be around for the next generation of kids, and that's opportunity.””
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/22/nx-s1-5048679/jd-vance-middletown-ohio-rally-kamala-harris-joe-biden
Love him!! Feeling fired up to have a candidate who understands small town America. Let’go JD!!!!
“My life wasn't all that different from a lot of people who grew up in Middletown, Ohio,” he said. “It was tough, but it was surrounded by loving people, and it was surrounded by something that if we don't fight for is not going to be around for the next generation of kids, and that's opportunity.””
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/22/nx-s1-5048679/jd-vance-middletown-ohio-rally-kamala-harris-joe-biden
Love him!! Feeling fired up to have a candidate who understands small town America. Let’go JD!!!!
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:44
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
He worked for Peter Thiel for a couple of years... Says all you need to know.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:42
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
Agree, people really don't understand the Trump phenomenon. Trump is the vote getter; he doesn't need a VP for that. In his VP he wants fealty above all else and JD's political career would be nowhere without Trump''s blessing that saved him in his Senate race. He is beholden to Trump, will be Trump's attack dog and will willfully do anything Trump asks him to do because he owes a great deal of his political existence and ascent to Trump.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:39
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
True, except Haley became just another nobody when she endorsed Trump. What a hypocrite. And Vance! I can't even. What can lust for power make someone do?! It's repulsive.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:37
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Disagree. Trump could have picked Cookie Monster. It doesn’t matter. His base will still vote for him. The VP pick sways no one. The people that were planning to vote for him still will, just like the people that were planning to vote for Biden will vote for any cardboard cut out the Dems put on the ballot. Kamala’s VP pick also won’t move any votes. The independents are the votes to win, but those don’t come from the VP pick. They will come from the issues people ultimately decide are most important to them.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:29
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can Trump drop Vance at this point?
He should have just swallowed his pride and picked Nikki Haley for VP.
Absolutely.
The Vance pick is mystifying. It does nothing for the ticket or the Republican Party. Vance exudes incel vibes, a man who clearly hates women. He does nothing to bring new people into the Republican Party. The kind of people that like Vance and Ben Shapiro and Andrew Tate were already going to vote for Trump.
I'm guessing it was just over-confidence. Trump was on a good trajectory to easily win - Biden imploding at the debate, assassination attempt, more and more states becoming competitive. And now Vice President Harris will be the nominee. Suddenly, Trump looks like a moron for picking Vance. He is huge liability for the GOP. Definitely should have picked Haley.
+1. Dem, and let’s be honest. Rs should have chosen her over Trump as the nominee. Because if she were, Dems really would be done this cycle. She would have mopped the floor with Biden and made it impossible for subbing Harris in to be anything but downside.
So, so glad the Rs weren’t savvy enough to suck it and choose the qualified, attractive, articulate one.
Anonymous
07/23/2024 16:28
Subject: What the hell happened to JD Vance?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dems are envious because Vance has a brain & Kamala….doesn’t.
Kamala has more credentials politically than he does. Also, it's much harder for a woman to rise in the political ranks than a man, so she has more balls than he does.
Even so, they both are smarter than Trump, yet Trump is your man. So, you may not want to mention who has a brain and who doesn't.
Kamala has brains. She's a prosecutor with a long record of public service. Vance...got in to Yale Law School as a military admit, didn't have a stellar record there, and has worked at a hedge fund run by conservative Silicon Valley oddballs. He has a very thin resume. And shame on his wife--a brown immigrant woman embracing the MAGA nutjobs who would like nothing more than to expel people like her from the country.
I think he was on the Yale Law Journal.
He was. But as one of 60 others.
https://abovethelaw.com/2024/07/j-d-vance-described-as-editor-of-the-yale-law-journal-which-seems-a-tad-misleading/
Yes. But I was responding to the pp who said he had a “less than stellar record” at YLS. Making law review disproves that.
Yale does not base law review on grades—it’s different than other schools. When I was there, it was a blue booking test combined with a writing (assessment of a submitted article) graded by fellow students. It wasn’t a process that necessarily rewarded the smartest so “making law review” doesn’t prove that much.
I’m also laughing internally at the PP that said he was well liked at YLS as some kind of proof that he’s a people person. I don’t know if he was well liked at YLs (I was there before him) but YLS is definitely not a good metric for how normal humans interact with each other.
If you went to YLS, you should employ better reasoning. No one posted that as proof that he's a people person, but we don't exactly have many other indicia of his likability or how personable he is, which was the root of the point being made. We do have attestation from YLS classmates that he was likable there, which is better than nothing. People use these sorts of things for all sorts of politicians, so I'm not sure why it can't be used for JD. It's not dispositive, but it is a data point.