Putin and the uneducated Russians are also obsessed with Western "gender freedom". The parallels to Isis rhetoric is fascinating ...

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians are f!cking depraved animals. The soldiers should be shown no mercy. I'm part Jewish and I'd rather support Azov than an army full of demonic rapists and murderers.

If Azov are Banderites (I would think not all of them, but some may be) and you are Jewish, I doubt you would be supporting them. The photos of their atrocities (systemic genocide of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews during WW2) are actually out there and available, this is well documented and proven.

Azov is Banderites like the US military is Nazi - does Azov have some far right people - Nazi, Bandera or otherwise? Yes. Every country does - US, Russia, Germany, France, Poland, etc. Definitely not the majority or even a significant part of today’s Azov. The guy who founded Azov left to start a political party, which was completely unsuccessful.

Yes, you are right that systematic killing of Jews and Poles did occur in WW2 - but that is not the responsibility of today’s Azov battalion.

You are repeating Russian propaganda, which tries to paint the current Ukrainian state with the brush of WW2. If you want to do that, we should also discuss how Putin is basically the successor to the government that committed the Holodomor in Ukraine, and which is again cutting of vast numbers of civilians (in Mariupol for example) and depriving them of food and water and humanitarian passage out of the city to other areas of Ukraine.

I was responding to a post that was relevant to the Jewish perspective, which does brush up on WW2 history, so, no need to scream Russian Propaganda. I am not suggesting Putin has a foot to stand on pretending to liberate the world from Nazis, THAT would be Russian propaganda. I am pointing out that Azov does have nazi element, this is a different situation with closeted nazis in our army who aren't endorsed officially by our government, the fact that it is controversial isn't my invention. It's been covered here before. Your response is a typical whataboutism. If PP didn't mention Jewish perspective specifically I would not have brought it up.

Can you show where the Ukrainian gov't is endorsing the nazi element in the Azov battalion?

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Anonymous wrote:With Russia and Russian soldiers behaving like an assymetric terrorist organization in their actions and tactics, apparently with widespread Russian support - will there be visa restrictions and double vetting for those seeking to travel abroad as there was for countries hosting/sympathizing with Isis terrorists etc? Cant imagine wanting to be on a beach towel next to someone who supports what's going on ...

This is literally the stupidest thing I read in a very long time

Why? We slapped visa restrictions on all kinds of countries with the "war on terror" and subsequent Isis threats. Russia is literally terroristically sucking right now . I have zero problem with Russians seeking asylum, process them. But why should Russians who support these atrocities be sending their kids to Oxford or Harvard or Sorbonne or sunning themselves in Miami or the Riviera? Declare yourselves. if you're with this Putin, send your kids to Moscow U and hang out at the remaining Black Sea resorts. If you're against it, welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians are f!cking depraved animals. The soldiers should be shown no mercy. I'm part Jewish and I'd rather support Azov than an army full of demonic rapists and murderers.

If Azov are Banderites (I would think not all of them, but some may be) and you are Jewish, I doubt you would be supporting them. The photos of their atrocities (systemic genocide of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews during WW2) are actually out there and available, this is well documented and proven.

Azov is Banderites like the US military is Nazi - does Azov have some far right people - Nazi, Bandera or otherwise? Yes. Every country does - US, Russia, Germany, France, Poland, etc. Definitely not the majority or even a significant part of today’s Azov. The guy who founded Azov left to start a political party, which was completely unsuccessful.

Yes, you are right that systematic killing of Jews and Poles did occur in WW2 - but that is not the responsibility of today’s Azov battalion.

You are repeating Russian propaganda, which tries to paint the current Ukrainian state with the brush of WW2. If you want to do that, we should also discuss how Putin is basically the successor to the government that committed the Holodomor in Ukraine, and which is again cutting of vast numbers of civilians (in Mariupol for example) and depriving them of food and water and humanitarian passage out of the city to other areas of Ukraine.

I was responding to a post that was relevant to the Jewish perspective, which does brush up on WW2 history, so, no need to scream Russian Propaganda. I am not suggesting Putin has a foot to stand on pretending to liberate the world from Nazis, THAT would be Russian propaganda. I am pointing out that Azov does have nazi element, this is a different situation with closeted nazis in our army who aren't endorsed officially by our government, the fact that it is controversial isn't my invention. It's been covered here before. Your response is a typical whataboutism. If PP didn't mention Jewish perspective specifically I would not have brought it up.

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Anonymous wrote:The Russians are f!cking depraved animals. The soldiers should be shown no mercy. I'm part Jewish and I'd rather support Azov than an army full of demonic rapists and murderers.

If Azov are Banderites (I would think not all of them, but some may be) and you are Jewish, I doubt you would be supporting them. The photos of their atrocities (systemic genocide of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews during WW2) are actually out there and available, this is well documented and proven.

Azov is Banderites like the US military is Nazi - does Azov have some far right people - Nazi, Bandera or otherwise? Yes. Every country does - US, Russia, Germany, France, Poland, etc. Definitely not the majority or even a significant part of today’s Azov. The guy who founded Azov left to start a political party, which was completely unsuccessful.

Yes, you are right that systematic killing of Jews and Poles did occur in WW2 - but that is not the responsibility of today’s Azov battalion.

You are repeating Russian propaganda, which tries to paint the current Ukrainian state with the brush of WW2. If you want to do that, we should also discuss how Putin is basically the successor to the government that committed the Holodomor in Ukraine, and which is again cutting of vast numbers of civilians (in Mariupol for example) and depriving them of food and water and humanitarian passage out of the city to other areas of Ukraine.

Anonymous wrote:With Russia and Russian soldiers behaving like an assymetric terrorist organization in their actions and tactics, apparently with widespread Russian support - will there be visa restrictions and double vetting for those seeking to travel abroad as there was for countries hosting/sympathizing with Isis terrorists etc? Cant imagine wanting to be on a beach towel next to someone who supports what's going on ...

This is literally the stupidest thing I read in a very long time

With Russia and Russian soldiers behaving like an assymetric terrorist organization in their actions and tactics, apparently with widespread Russian support - will there be visa restrictions and double vetting for those seeking to travel abroad as there was for countries hosting/sympathizing with Isis terrorists etc? Cant imagine wanting to be on a beach towel next to someone who supports what's going on ...

French authorities just seized Abramovichs Villa that had belonged to the duke of Windsor. Amazing how much $ these oligarchs and Putin types have looted and stockpiled from the Russian nations patrimony, yet Russians send their kids to die at Putin's command. They are like to gullible rubes in the old Russian folk tales.

Anonymous wrote:Let the light shine on their crimes. They are stupidly and obscenely documenting themselves with chats, calls, social media. The trials in absentia at the Hague should begin now, followed by red notices.

They know it's not evidence and can get away with it. When there are no photos/videos or forensic investigations then chats and calls and social media posts cannot be taken for granted. That's why there are efforts to collect and present all the hard evidence, as this is what will stand in trials. We have this footage from WW2 atrocities and even WW1 when imaging and forensic tech were scarce. Given our sophistication of imaging and forensic tech, it's a matter of time to prove these war crimes.

Anonymous wrote:The Russians are f!cking depraved animals. The soldiers should be shown no mercy. I'm part Jewish and I'd rather support Azov than an army full of demonic rapists and murderers.

If Azov are Banderites (I would think not all of them, but some may be) and you are Jewish, I doubt you would be supporting them. The photos of their atrocities (systemic genocide of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews during WW2) are actually out there and available, this is well documented and proven.

Let the light shine on their crimes. They are stupidly and obscenely documenting themselves with chats, calls, social media. The trials in absentia at the Hague should begin now, followed by red notices.

I expect the reality is worse than what we hear now.

With how hard the pro-Russian (or even the "everyone else is just as bad as we are") propaganda machine is churning, you know there is a lot to hide.

The truth will come out. Hopefully with living people telling the story, not just forensics on dead bodies.

Anonymous wrote:This is just horrible.

What a bunch of losers these Russian kidnappers are.

This is just horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Using rape as a weapon of war on this scale in a self styled "civilized" nation ... Wow, this is really peeling behind the curtain of ALL of Russia

Its peeling back the curtain on all European propaganda that war doesn't exist in the West. A broad majority of the conflicts lately have to do with Europe - Georgia, Ukraine, Belarussian etc

Bullshit. In exactly zero of those was Europe the aggressor. It was Russia in every single case. Peeling back the curtain on stupid pro-Russia trolls like yourself.

Oh come on - these countries are known for having militias with paramilitary training running rampant. And since when is Russia not European? Just because it and China are hegemonies doesn’t dissolve it’s shared heritage ties with the region it most often caucuses with.

Russia is half Asia and half Europe and I doubt either wants to 'claim them' now. I just can't with Russia. Worldwide pandemic, recession, starvation, death and they throw gas on the fire. Opportunists who apparently have been waiting in the wings to literally rape babies. Wow. I just can't. Yeah, they're not European.

Europeans have done tons of distasteful violent things to non-Europeans so I don’t know that you should hold them as model of anything.

DP. Are you seriously defending Russia's raping of babies?? You're SICK

No, I’m seriously attacking the practice of holding Europe up as a model of humane behavior.

And in the process, you justify the rape of children by Russian soldiers. What inhumane behavior did a 1-year old ever do?

That’s your read and nothing else. You can call an act inhumane without concluding it’s not European. Europe is not a standard of anything.