Same type of thing happened during the LB West Po game. Zebras checked Lake Braddock's fogo stick in the last 7 or 8 minutes in the 4th.

Or maybe the Yorktown coach watched the Langley games and saw the FO would stay in to play but his coach would hand him a different stick after FO, and that the FO head was face-flex, which are notorious for being illegal.

Actually if a FOGO is good and has any strength to him. Stick can easily become illegal after the faceoff. And then when running off try to get it back to shape in most HS games. Club faceoffs are a whole different animal,.

Langley coach must have watched the Robinson finals a few years back. Gave Yorktown coach a Trump card I’m sure he wouldn’t have used if it wasn’t for the past SC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Never understand why teams that have stick checks requested against them - and then LOSE the check and get caught with illegal stick - have any right to complain. FOGO who wins every faceoff, dumps ball to attack and runs off field - probably not going to get stick check requested. Win faceoff and go down and score (while getting hammered by poles and ball doesn't come out) in a playoff game - you're probably going to get request. And if you're using illegal stick it's a penalty. Not sure how folks argue fogo guys should be able to use whatever illegal stick they want - there's a rule for a reason and kudos to Yorktown coach for calling for it.

Agree with idea that losing the request should have some penalty (time out loss is a good one) to prevent abuse. Think women's game might have limit of 3 per game.

Spoken like someone who does not know the FOGO position much at all. Most fogo heads, right after a FO, are going to be illegal in one way or another. You see the head bends out of shape on a faceoff..... The refs, trust me, know this and when they do a random check, never choose one of the FO kids. If they do, they are trying to send a message to the coach that they don't like him.

The solution here:
FOGOs identified before the game and they all get a pre game stick check. Need to be within before any action.
Rest of the field players are subject to random normal checks- no pregame check.
If a normal stick check is called (Fogo included who did not just FO), same rules apply, penalty on one end or loss of TO on the other.
If a stick check is called for on a kid who just faced off- there WILL be a 1-2 min non releasable on one of the teams, either the stick is legal and the requesting team is now down or the stick is illegal and the "stick" team is down.
This would make a coach think very hard about calling for a check on a FOGO who just faced, but if they are certain that they will win, its worth it.

actually most fogo sticks are illegal or close to it b/c fogo manipulates it to be so - or pushes it right up against the line... bent/borderline heads get manually adjusted all the time during game (just watch fogos working on their heads as they run off...) that's not the issue. yes refs avoid calling on them for their regular stick checks because everybody knows this. And most coaches don't single out fogo guys unless there's a reason. But guess what: winning faceoff and then running through 12 stick checks and scoring in close playoff game is going to give a coach a reason.... So push the envelope all you want - but if you get caught, don't start crying...

Anonymous wrote:Never understand why teams that have stick checks requested against them - and then LOSE the check and get caught with illegal stick - have any right to complain. FOGO who wins every faceoff, dumps ball to attack and runs off field - probably not going to get stick check requested. Win faceoff and go down and score (while getting hammered by poles and ball doesn't come out) in a playoff game - you're probably going to get request. And if you're using illegal stick it's a penalty. Not sure how folks argue fogo guys should be able to use whatever illegal stick they want - there's a rule for a reason and kudos to Yorktown coach for calling for it.

Agree with idea that losing the request should have some penalty (time out loss is a good one) to prevent abuse. Think women's game might have limit of 3 per game.

Spoken like someone who does not know the FOGO position much at all. Most fogo heads, right after a FO, are going to be illegal in one way or another. You see the head bends out of shape on a faceoff..... The refs, trust me, know this and when they do a random check, never choose one of the FO kids. If they do, they are trying to send a message to the coach that they don't like him.

The solution here:
FOGOs identified before the game and they all get a pre game stick check. Need to be within before any action.
Rest of the field players are subject to random normal checks- no pregame check.
If a normal stick check is called (Fogo included who did not just FO), same rules apply, penalty on one end or loss of TO on the other.
If a stick check is called for on a kid who just faced off- there WILL be a 1-2 min non releasable on one of the teams, either the stick is legal and the requesting team is now down or the stick is illegal and the "stick" team is down.
This would make a coach think very hard about calling for a check on a FOGO who just faced, but if they are certain that they will win, its worth it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this may be the Region D Tournament Bracket

Madison (Concorde #1) vs. Washington-Liberty (Liberty #4)
Langley (Liberty #2) v. Westfield (Concorde #3)

Yorkton (Liberty #1) vs. Oakton (Concorde #4)
Centreville (Concorde #2) v. McLean (Liberty #3)

Langley/Westfield and Centreville/McLean could both be good games. Madison and Yorktown should both advance fairly easily.

Would say that's only because the #1 seeds are so head and shoulders above the #2-#4 seeds. Think all the #2 through #4 seeds are pretty close and could beat each other on any given day. But those two #1 seeds have clearly shown significant gap above anyone else. Now, we'll see if they eventually give the Robinson crew a scare in state tourney at all....

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The refs do several stick checks during the game, is it lame then? Langley coach asked for a stick check first, is that lame that the Yorktown coach did a 100% by the rule call for a stick check on a player whose stick was so bad it got him 3 minutes? Know the rules you fool. Langley coach shouldn’t have asked for that check and he wouldn’t have gotten one back. He eliminated his weapon in all of the playoffs because now every coach is going to do that to them. Blame the Langley coach for starting that, not the Yorktown coach for reaponding the same way and winning that advantage.

That’s not true. Yorktown asked for a stick check first, and Langley responded with one after that. Then Langley FOGO goal was called back because He scored with his face off stick. Coaches on both teams operated within rules, although a check on FOGO stick is less common. It’s unfortunate. Rules are rules. Don’t take cheap shots at coaches.

This is just false, you need to watch the tape again.

Anonymous wrote:The refs do several stick checks during the game, is it lame then? Langley coach asked for a stick check first, is that lame that the Yorktown coach did a 100% by the rule call for a stick check on a player whose stick was so bad it got him 3 minutes? Know the rules you fool. Langley coach shouldn’t have asked for that check and he wouldn’t have gotten one back. He eliminated his weapon in all of the playoffs because now every coach is going to do that to them. Blame the Langley coach for starting that, not the Yorktown coach for reaponding the same way and winning that advantage.

That’s not true. Yorktown asked for a stick check first, and Langley responded with one after that. Then Langley FOGO goal was called back because He scored with his face off stick. Coaches on both teams operated within rules, although a check on FOGO stick is less common. It’s unfortunate. Rules are rules. Don’t take cheap shots at coaches.

Anonymous wrote:Actually think the NFHS rule is: each coach is allowed one free check per game. If illegal, coach keeps his free check. If found to be legal, coach loses his free check. He can still request another check, but if everything is legal, his team is charged a timeout or assessed a technical foul if no timeouts remain.

Thanks! Good to know!

Anonymous wrote:I think this may be the Region D Tournament Bracket

Madison (Concorde #1) vs. Washington-Liberty (Liberty #4)
Langley (Liberty #2) v. Westfield (Concorde #3)

Yorkton (Liberty #1) vs. Oakton (Concorde #4)
Centreville (Concorde #2) v. McLean (Liberty #3)

Langley/Westfield and Centreville/McLean could both be good games. Madison and Yorktown should both advance fairly easily.

Actually think the NFHS rule is: each coach is allowed one free check per game. If illegal, coach keeps his free check. If found to be legal, coach loses his free check. He can still request another check, but if everything is legal, his team is charged a timeout or assessed a technical foul if no timeouts remain.

Never understand why teams that have stick checks requested against them - and then LOSE the check and get caught with illegal stick - have any right to complain. FOGO who wins every faceoff, dumps ball to attack and runs off field - probably not going to get stick check requested. Win faceoff and go down and score (while getting hammered by poles and ball doesn't come out) in a playoff game - you're probably going to get request. And if you're using illegal stick it's a penalty. Not sure how folks argue fogo guys should be able to use whatever illegal stick they want - there's a rule for a reason and kudos to Yorktown coach for calling for it.

Agree with idea that losing the request should have some penalty (time out loss is a good one) to prevent abuse. Think women's game might have limit of 3 per game.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, Langley's FOGO won the faceoff and immediately scored, refs did a stick check on the FOGO (lame) and the goal was disallowed and he was given a penalty for the illegal stick. No unsportsmanlike conduct. Yorktown scored at least two and maybe three goals during the unreleasable penalty and it was maybe a four goal swing. Very reminiscent of the Oakton Robinson state championship game in 2018. I think that Yorktown bench called for the stick check and if so that is a weak move. That said, Yorktown was the better team last night and I don't think that it likely impacted the outcome of the game.

Thank you for what sounds like the more accurate account, and my apologies for posting what essentially was a rumor that made an unidentified Langley kid look bad. That's my fault.

I think this may be the Region D Tournament Bracket

Madison (Concorde #1) vs. Washington-Liberty (Liberty #4)
Langley (Liberty #2) v. Westfield (Concorde #3)

Yorkton (Liberty #1) vs. Oakton (Concorde #4)
Centreville (Concorde #2) v. McLean (Liberty #3)

The refs do several stick checks during the game, is it lame then? Langley coach asked for a stick check first, is that lame that the Yorktown coach did a 100% by the rule call for a stick check on a player whose stick was so bad it got him 3 minutes? Know the rules you fool. Langley coach shouldn’t have asked for that check and he wouldn’t have gotten one back. He eliminated his weapon in all of the playoffs because now every coach is going to do that to them. Blame the Langley coach for starting that, not the Yorktown coach for reaponding the same way and winning that advantage.