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Anonymous wrote:Nazis viewed Jews as a race and used racial “purity” tests. The key point is that the Nazis sought to exterminate the Jewish people. Her comments were weird and cruel.

Made even more “weird” by the history of racial segregation in the US that, no doubt, classified Jews from European backgrounds as “white”, So we have the Nazi’s view of race, the US view of race and “racial purity tests” that predate the Nazis, and we’re struggling to communicate our concerns using today’s standards.

Who’s we? Also, struggling with what concern?

Those of us who are trying to use our own categories: such as race, religion, and ethnicity— to describe and discuss concerns related to identify that may not fit neatly, or even at all, into those categories.

How did you respond to the census question regarding your race?

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Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

Jews can be white,black, whatever just like Christians can be white, black, etc. I don't understand how you don't understand this. Being Jewish is not a race. You can be Jewish AND white. Jewish AND black. Jewish AND Native American. It's not mutually exclusive. You don't put Jewish down as your race on a census. It's a RELIGION that has ethnic and cultural traits. To suggest Judaism is a race gets back to exactly what Hitler was trying to do--assign certain physical traits to Jews to identify their race and separate them from the master race at the time. I'm Jewish and white and I don't know a single Jewish person who looks like me who doesn't identify their race as White/Caucasian.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish is a religion, race, and ethnicity.

Whoopi was a fool to go down this rabbit hole

It is 100% not a race.


This seems so interesting to me that this entertainer got called out for something most people don't understand anyway. Look at this thread!

Jews are not a separate race. There is some blood lineage due to endogamy and regional genetics, but this isn't a huge concept now as Jews come from all races and ethnicities. There are black Jews, Sephardic Jews, Asian Jews. There are people in Jewish families who have been Jewish for generations, yet one ancestor might have been Celtic. There are Catholics who, at one time were Jews, etc. The is a religion with cultural and ethnic aspects, but no, it is not a race.

The Holocaust was about "race" because Hitler was trying to establish a master race, and deemed Jews to be inferior in his plan, along with other groups of people- not only the Jews in Europe. Jews were scapegoated for political reasons on Germany at the time and he was able to murder 6 million through propaganda.

If you need a comparison, look at the alt right rhetoric and behavior of the GOP in these last 6 years...there'a been a lot of scapegoating of immigrants, black people, Asians. The same playbook is being used.

There are other holocausts around the world, even now, however this is The Holocaust. 6 million people were murdered with help from people who thought this was a good idea.

Maybe this was a good thing because there's a lot people don't realize and these discussions help to illuminate the larger problem.

AND to further my misunderstanding, if all the these white looking Jews ARE white, why do these other white people seem to hate you so much? Is it just because you’re Jewish? And they hate the Jewish religion? That’s dumb. Southern poster here again. So unless you told me you were Jewish, I wouldn’t know you were Jewish. How are people just hating on non announcing white Jewish people? Or is the hate only happening on clearly identifying Jewish people?

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Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

Jews can be white,black, whatever just like Christians can be white, black, etc. I don't understand how you don't understand this. Being Jewish is not a race. You can be Jewish AND white. Jewish AND black. Jewish AND Native American. It's not mutually exclusive. You don't put Jewish down as your race on a census. It's a RELIGION that has ethnic and cultural traits. To suggest Judaism is a race gets back to exactly what Hitler was trying to do--assign certain physical traits to Jews to identify their race and separate them from the master race at the time. I'm Jewish and white and I don't know a single Jewish person who looks like me who doesn't identify their race as White/Caucasian.

Therefore, the Holocaust was about race, religion, and culture. Still Whoopi should not have brought that up, it's like slavery, and will be turned around by the agenda folks.

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Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

Jews can be white,black, whatever just like Christians can be white, black, etc. I don't understand how you don't understand this. Being Jewish is not a race. You can be Jewish AND white. Jewish AND black. Jewish AND Native American. It's not mutually exclusive. You don't put Jewish down as your race on a census. It's a RELIGION that has ethnic and cultural traits. To suggest Judaism is a race gets back to exactly what Hitler was trying to do--assign certain physical traits to Jews to identify their race and separate them from the master race at the time. I'm Jewish and white and I don't know a single Jewish person who looks like me who doesn't identify their race as White/Caucasian.

Goldberg, an Oscar-winner whose real name is Caryn Johnson, was quoted by the Reuters news service as saying, ``The true story is that my family is Jewish, Buddhist, Baptist and Catholic -- none of which I subscribe to, by the way, as I don't believe in man-made religions. . . So I took the last name from a Jewish ancestor. And I happen to be gaseous, which explains the first name, short for whoopee cushion.''

Speaking this week at a charity event in London, the Oscar-winning actress said: "I just know I am Jewish. I practise nothing. I don't go to temple, but I do remember the holidays. Religion is a lot of work, it's exhausting. So I keep it simple, I have a pretty good relationship with God. We talk.'"

She added: "When people heard the name 'Whoopi Goldberg', and then I turned up, I was not what they were expecting.

"People would ask me in a roundabout way, 'So are you?' And I would say 'What?' And they'd say 'What does your name mean?' And I would say 'Do you mean Whoopi?' And they'd say 'No, the other name.' And then they would say 'Come on, are you Jewish?' And I always say 'Would you ask me that if I was white? I bet not.'" The name is wonderful for starting conversations."

Anonymous wrote:I understand the point she was making.

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Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

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Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

Jews can be white,black, whatever just like Christians can be white, black, etc. I don't understand how you don't understand this. Being Jewish is not a race. You can be Jewish AND white. Jewish AND black. Jewish AND Native American. It's not mutually exclusive. You don't put Jewish down as your race on a census. It's a RELIGION that has ethnic and cultural traits. To suggest Judaism is a race gets back to exactly what Hitler was trying to do--assign certain physical traits to Jews to identify their race and separate them from the master race at the time. I'm Jewish and white and I don't know a single Jewish person who looks like me who doesn't identify their race as White/Caucasian.

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Anonymous wrote:Jewish is a religion, race, and ethnicity.

Whoopi was a fool to go down this rabbit hole

It is 100% not a race.


This seems so interesting to me that this entertainer got called out for something most people don't understand anyway. Look at this thread!

Jews are not a separate race. There is some blood lineage due to endogamy and regional genetics, but this isn't a huge concept now as Jews come from all races and ethnicities. There are black Jews, Sephardic Jews, Asian Jews. There are people in Jewish families who have been Jewish for generations, yet one ancestor might have been Celtic. There are Catholics who, at one time were Jews, etc. The is a religion with cultural and ethnic aspects, but no, it is not a race.

The Holocaust was about "race" because Hitler was trying to establish a master race, and deemed Jews to be inferior in his plan, along with other groups of people- not only the Jews in Europe. Jews were scapegoated for political reasons on Germany at the time and he was able to murder 6 million through propaganda.

If you need a comparison, look at the alt right rhetoric and behavior of the GOP in these last 6 years...there'a been a lot of scapegoating of immigrants, black people, Asians. The same playbook is being used.

There are other holocausts around the world, even now, however this is The Holocaust. 6 million people were murdered with help from people who thought this was a good idea.

Maybe this was a good thing because there's a lot people don't realize and these discussions help to illuminate the larger problem.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^Holocaust was about religion and creating the master aryan race I meant to say.

The Holocaust wasn't about religion at all. It was about finding a scapegoat to the problems Germany was having at the time. Religion had nothing to do with it. Hitler came up with the notion of a master race and declared the Jews inferior to it and there for needed to be exterminated, like vermin. There is no such as a Jewish "race" Jews can be black white brown whatever--and yes Judaism has ethnicity within it, but it's a religion, people. Just like Christianity, Muslim, Buddhism...If you think it's a race you need to go back to history class.

Ok…so Holocaust wasn’t about religion. Now understood. There is no Jewish “race”, but Hitler thought there was and wanted to destroy it along with other groups he deemed inferior.

Are Jews that physically look white considered white? Are they “generally” ok with being grouped white people?

Not joking (but trying to take some heavy out of this since this is in the entertainment forum) is Jerry Seinfeld ok with being considered white?

Anonymous wrote:Jewish is a religion, race, and ethnicity.

Whoopi was a fool to go down this rabbit hole