Benevolent philosopher kings are way better than universal franchise anyways.

These examples of having trouble getting an ID are not compelling.

Yes, you have to have proper documentation and yes it can be a pain in the butt to get it straight. But when something is important enough to you, you will get it done.

I had a similar issue as one of the examples. My maiden name was swapped for my middle name on my drivers license. But my original name was on my passport. I could not pass the requirements to get an ID at my new place of work. No other place in the 20 years I’d been married cared. Not for global entry, not for previous employment that did background checks, nothing. But now I was not going to be issued this work ID, thus would not remain employed, if I could not get it fixed.

It took effort. But it was important enough to get it all straightened out.

Paperwork is a b$&ch but it’s also pretty fundamental to having a society that functions optimally.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“A Huntsville woman, 92, who has lived in the same house in Huntsville for 57 years and voted in every election since she was eligible, was turned away from the polls today because her driver's license expired nine months ago.

The woman had the license with her when she came to vote at the precinct at First Baptist Church a little before noon today, June 3, 2014, said Libba Nicholson, a neighbor who often drives her elderly friend on errands. The license had expired in August 2013. She had not renewed it because her eyesight is failing and she has made the tough decision to quit driving. But she thought since it was so recent, it would work. She uses it to cash checks and in other rare incidences when she is asked for an ID.

"If we've ever had to pull the card out, I don't think anyone ever checked the date," Nicholson said. "As we walked in, we were talking about doing our Constitutional duty. She's a very thoughtful citizen."
https://www.al.com/breaking/2014/06/voter_fraud.html

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Both sides are needlessly overplaying voting issues. There's a lack of data to justify what the Rs are doing and what the Ds are doing. The country is being torn apart in the process.

Scummy.

Once again, look at what Republicans are doing. Look at the laws they have passed that will allow the to overturn elections they lose. Defend it. No one is overplaying this. They would have absolutely overturned the two Democratic senate wins in 2020. And here you are, defending it.

So only Dems want water and snacks if they have to wait on line to vote? Or to put their vote in drop boxes - which aren’t terribly secure if the USPS boxes are any lesson.

Just a Dem thing for extended in person voting?

So divisive and stupid the way the Dems characterize this whole issue. Get off the sofa and vote. It is not hard.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Paul Carroll, an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades, was denied a chance to vote in the state's primary contests today after a poll worker denied his form of identification, a recently-acquired photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The poll worker rejected the ID because it did not contain an address, as required by Ohio law.

Carroll told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that he got the ID from the VA after his driver's license expired because he doesn't drive anymore:

“My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.

“I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”
https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/319-67/10340-86-year-old-ohio-veteran-denied-vote-under-id-law

Anonymous wrote:Not a Trumper here. I agree that Gerrymandering is bad and ideally would not happen. Clearly it's a problem with both parties.

Honestly, I don't buy the voter suppression and "democracy at stake" hyperbole. Anyone that wants to vote can vote, right? Yes, it might be inconvenient for some based on their work schedule, but that's always been the case. And In most places you can already vote by mail.

When I hear that democracy is at stake, I tune out because it's a huge exaggeration in my mind.

I'm open to argument, though. Can you change my mind?

1. Studies showing that in states with voter ID laws election workers ask people of color for their ID 95%+ of the time and white voters for their ID around half of the time.

2. There is little to no evidence of voter fraud with mail in voting, so why not let everyone do it.

3. Some how in poorer neighborhoods, the lines to vote are always long and the machines malfunction. Not so in wealthier neighborhoods. Another reason why mail in voting should be a thing.

4. Tuesday voting sucks. Poorer voters have a harder time getting time off of work to vote. I don’t think we need the day to be a national holiday, but those I voted stickers should buy you time off to vote, same as jury duty and national guard service.

5. Jurisdictions putting fewer voting boxes in poorer neighborhoods and not near public transportation.

6. Attacks on Sunday ride to vote programs generally run out of Black churches that get large numbers of older Black women to vote.

7. Folks littering poor neighborhoods with flyers and robocalls that show the wrong voting information.

8. Election commissions moving your polling location without notice or removing your name from the voter rolls without notice and an opportunity to reregister.

That’s the stuff I can think of off the top of my head that I would like to see corrected and that would make voting better for everyone.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In October 2011, an article appeared in my local paper reporting that, in order to vote in the next election, everyone was going to need a state-issued identity card for the first time. At 85 years old, I didn’t have one, because I’m handicapped and so I never drove a car or needed an ID.

The newspaper said that I’d have to go to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and register for a card, and it had a list of the documents that I needed to bring. I hadeverything – except for the legal birth certificate. I’m not sure my parents ever gave that to me. I did have a baptism certificate that was notarized, but that was all.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/wisconsin-new-voter-id-law-woman-denied-right-87?CMP=twt_gu

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

The Republicans pushing the requirement are convinced that it suppressed black votes. That’s the purpose of the push. There is no other motive.

+1

I see. So in 2022 - with all of the outreach - blacks can not vote. No other group. Is that what your argument is?

Keep going, 20:31. You’re putting a name to the people who the GOP are happy to disenfranchise.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“ Everything that proves Chartez Tucker exists fits in a plastic grocery bag.

There’s a wadded-up photocopy of his expired Michigan identification card. Some pieces of mail that look like they’ve been through the wash. A few pieces of this-and-that to try to authenticate his 45 years on Earth.

“Right now, he’s a John Doe. A nobody,” says his sister, Jacqueline Tucker.

Her brother cuts her off.

“I am somebody!” he says. “I just can’t prove it.”

The two were recently at a social services agency on Detroit’s east side to begin the process of acquiring a state ID so he can get an apartment. But the process can take six months and unfold through a series of fits, starts and bureaucratic walls that reveals the everyday hassle of being poor.

For Tucker, it means bus trips, long waits in government offices and cobbling together money for copies of his birth certificate, academic and other records. He lost his ID with his wallet four years ago. When he talked to Bridge last month, Tucker had been to the Social Security office four times without luck.

“They make it so hard,” said Tucker, who lives with his mother, doesn’t work and suffers from seizures.

Lacking identification is a surprisingly common problem, particularly in cities: As many as 1 in 10 Americans don’t have a government-issued ID, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Other studies claim as many as 13 percent of African-Americans lack IDs.
https://www.bridgemi.com/urban-affairs/poor-michigan-no-id-i-am-somebody-i-just-cant-prove-it?amp

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“So this month, with the North Carolina primary approaching, Reba wanted to make sure she could vote again. She needed to register, and she needed a valid photo ID, because beginning this year, North Carolina is requiring one to vote.

Last week, Ed helped her gather the papers the state said she needed for that ID. They decided to make an event of the process – a celebration of democracy. They went out to lunch. They filled out her voter registration form. They took a happy photo.

On Monday, they went to the Department of Motor Vehicles in west Asheville. There, they laid out all of Reba’s paperwork for a DMV official – her birth records from Pennsylvania, her Social Security card, the N.H. driver’s license she let expire because she no longer wanted to drive.

But there was a problem. When Reba got married in 1950, she had her name legally changed. Like millions upon millions of women, she swapped out her middle name for her maiden name.

That name – Reba Miller Bowser – didn’t match the name on her birth record. A DMV computer flagged the discrepancy, Ed says. The photo ID application was rejected.

Ed was surprised. And Reba? “It wasn’t obvious to my mom what was happening,” he says.

There’s good reason for Reba’s confusion. Her name had never been an issue before this week. Not when she applied for driver’s licenses in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. Not when she’s flown on airplanes and traveled to other countries.”
https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article59695406.html

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“Before SB14 came into effect, Kennie was able to vote by simply showing a voter registration card posted to his home address. Under the vastly more stringent demands of the new law, he must take with him to the polling station one of six forms of identification bearing his photograph. The problem is, he doesn’t have any of the six and there’s no way he’s going to be able to acquire one any time soon.

To get an EIC, Kennie needs to be able to show the Texas department of public safety (DPS) other forms of documentation that satisfy them as to his identity. He presented them with his old personal ID card – issued by the DPS itself and with his photo on it – but because it is more than 60 days expired (it ran out in 2000) they didn’t accept it. Next he showed them an electricity bill, and after that a cable TV bill, but on each occasion they said it didn’t cut muster and turned him away.

Each trip to the DPS office involved taking three buses, a journey that can stretch to a couple of hours. Then he had to stand in line, waiting for up to a further three hours to be seen, before finally making another two-hour schlep home.
In one of his trips to the DPS last year they told him he needed to get hold of a copy of his birth certificate as the only remaining way he could meet the requirements and get his EIC. That meant going on yet another three-bus trek to the official records office in a different part of town.
The cost of acquiring a birth certificate in Texas is $23, which may not sound much but it is to Kennie. He is poor, like many of the up to 600,000 Texans caught in the current voter ID trap.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/texas-vote-id-proof-certificate-minority-law

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

The Republicans pushing the requirement are convinced that it suppressed black votes. That’s the purpose of the push. There is no other motive.

+1

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

The Republicans pushing the requirement are convinced that it suppressed black votes. That’s the purpose of the push. There is no other motive.

Anonymous wrote:Just give me a reasonable example of someone who can’t get an ID

“In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html