Anonymous
01/11/2022 13:46
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:My high school class had fewer than 100 kids in it. I’d known all of them for 6 years (small, private middle and high school). After that, I was ready to be a face in the crowd where no one knew me. A large school in a great college town was perfect for me, because it gave me basically limitless options.
If that’s not for you, great. I find the idea of a small LAC claustrophobic. But, to each their own.
Same. Some of these LAC are sooo small, much smaller than high school! I don’t find it appealing at all, and neither do my kids. That being said, $$$ is the single most important thing for us, so if a LAC ends up being more affordable than our public colleges (California) then that’s something that will be very attractive.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 13:44
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
The appeal? Cost
Anonymous
01/11/2022 13:32
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
My high school class had fewer than 100 kids in it. I’d known all of them for 6 years (small, private middle and high school). After that, I was ready to be a face in the crowd where no one knew me. A large school in a great college town was perfect for me, because it gave me basically limitless options.
If that’s not for you, great. I find the idea of a small LAC claustrophobic. But, to each their own.
If that’s not for you, great. I find the idea of a small LAC claustrophobic. But, to each their own.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 13:30
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
It's difficult for me to take with any sincerity the desire for diversity because at the end what happens is they go to a school where everyone thinks the same and votes the same and parrots the same thing. There's preciously little ideological diversity at the elite schools and it's gotten worse over time.
I also don't care if you look at a group and say, wow, three different races, because if everyone agrees the same, that's not diversity.
It's bonus points, ticking off a checklist of approved criteria without really offering anything meaningful. In real life what happens is that the rich kids stick with the rich kids in their elusive world, the UMC progressive kids hang out with the other UMC progressive kids, the black kids hang out with the other black kids, the kids on the margins ie from small rural towns always feel somewhat on the margin and never fit in. The kids who boast the most about wanting to learn from diverse viewpoints never learn anything new because they also don't really want to learn anything new. They just seek the very limited range of preapproved ideas to suit and justify their preconceived biases. Then after graduation they move to Brooklyn to become "activists" and repeat the same ideologically narrow acceptance of ideas and viewpoints
I also don't care if you look at a group and say, wow, three different races, because if everyone agrees the same, that's not diversity.
It's bonus points, ticking off a checklist of approved criteria without really offering anything meaningful. In real life what happens is that the rich kids stick with the rich kids in their elusive world, the UMC progressive kids hang out with the other UMC progressive kids, the black kids hang out with the other black kids, the kids on the margins ie from small rural towns always feel somewhat on the margin and never fit in. The kids who boast the most about wanting to learn from diverse viewpoints never learn anything new because they also don't really want to learn anything new. They just seek the very limited range of preapproved ideas to suit and justify their preconceived biases. Then after graduation they move to Brooklyn to become "activists" and repeat the same ideologically narrow acceptance of ideas and viewpoints
Anonymous
01/11/2022 12:47
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.
"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!
Then you need look no further than a HBCU.
I did undergrad at an HBCU and did my masters at Stanford for electrical engineering. My son is now looking at HBCUs and diverse non-HBCUs. There are schools that bring in more than 3 and 4% black undergrad students. They're not SLACS.
Swarthmore is 7.6% Black or African American. VT is 4.8% and UVA is 6.8%. You shouldn't generalize.
Not the person you're talking to but VT is 9% this year.
VT got to 9% (actually 8.7%) by combining black with multi-race, so that is changing the measuring stick. Actual is 6.8%. Still it is an improvement.
You can't live in a country that claims the one drop rule and then be mad when the one drop rule is applied. Cops don't ask those multi-race people if they're mullti-race before they shoot them unarmed.
Then use your one drop rule for all schools or whatever it is you are advocating for, but do it the same way for all schools rather than one way for one (VT) and another way for the others.
Pretty much every college does in their counts which is why 3-4% is worse than it even looks for someone interested in a decent black population.
OK, let's compare VT (entering class of 2025) to Virginia demographics:
Black: Virginia 19.2%; VT 6.8%
Mixed Race: Virginia 3.8%; VT 1.9%
Black + Mixed Race: Virginia 23%; VT 8.7%
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:27
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
My white DC cared about diversity. His public school is less than 25% white. Private schools that I think of as being diverse and valuing diversity were less diverse than his high school.
Anonymous
01/11/2022 08:24
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.
"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!
Then you need look no further than a HBCU.
I did undergrad at an HBCU and did my masters at Stanford for electrical engineering. My son is now looking at HBCUs and diverse non-HBCUs. There are schools that bring in more than 3 and 4% black undergrad students. They're not SLACS.
Swarthmore is 7.6% Black or African American. VT is 4.8% and UVA is 6.8%. You shouldn't generalize.
Not the person you're talking to but VT is 9% this year.
VT got to 9% (actually 8.7%) by combining black with multi-race, so that is changing the measuring stick. Actual is 6.8%. Still it is an improvement.
You can't live in a country that claims the one drop rule and then be mad when the one drop rule is applied. Cops don't ask those multi-race people if they're mullti-race before they shoot them unarmed.
Then use your one drop rule for all schools or whatever it is you are advocating for, but do it the same way for all schools rather than one way for one (VT) and another way for the others.
Pretty much every college does in their counts which is why 3-4% is worse than it even looks for someone interested in a decent black population.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 21:12
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.
"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!
Then you need look no further than a HBCU.
I did undergrad at an HBCU and did my masters at Stanford for electrical engineering. My son is now looking at HBCUs and diverse non-HBCUs. There are schools that bring in more than 3 and 4% black undergrad students. They're not SLACS.
Swarthmore is 7.6% Black or African American. VT is 4.8% and UVA is 6.8%. You shouldn't generalize.
Not the person you're talking to but VT is 9% this year.
VT got to 9% (actually 8.7%) by combining black with multi-race, so that is changing the measuring stick. Actual is 6.8%. Still it is an improvement.
You can't live in a country that claims the one drop rule and then be mad when the one drop rule is applied. Cops don't ask those multi-race people if they're mullti-race before they shoot them unarmed.
Then use your one drop rule for all schools or whatever it is you are advocating for, but do it the same way for all schools rather than one way for one (VT) and another way for the others.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 21:08
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Because everyone is a varsity athlete getting sexually abused by a pervert doctor.
No. It goes to the decades of incompetence of a “prestigious” university.
Some issues in Big Ten country.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 21:04
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Vassar, Swarthmore, Wesleyan, Grinnell, Haverford, Macalester, Scripps, Pitzer, Occidental (Obama's first college), Reed, Williams, Amherst, Pomona, Bowdoin, Claremont McKenna, Carleton, and every women's college I've looked at all have over 40% students of color.
"students of color" don't mean much. Not PP you are responding to but I avoid SLACS for same reason. I'm black. Looking for black people. Not students of color. Vasser for example has 4% black people. Wesleyan has 3.2% Etc.....No thanks!
Then you need look no further than a HBCU.
I did undergrad at an HBCU and did my masters at Stanford for electrical engineering. My son is now looking at HBCUs and diverse non-HBCUs. There are schools that bring in more than 3 and 4% black undergrad students. They're not SLACS.
Swarthmore is 7.6% Black or African American. VT is 4.8% and UVA is 6.8%. You shouldn't generalize.
Not the person you're talking to but VT is 9% this year.
VT got to 9% (actually 8.7%) by combining black with multi-race, so that is changing the measuring stick. Actual is 6.8%. Still it is an improvement.
You can't live in a country that claims the one drop rule and then be mad when the one drop rule is applied. Cops don't ask those multi-race people if they're mullti-race before they shoot them unarmed.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 20:02
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Because everyone is a varsity athlete getting sexually abused by a pervert doctor.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 19:51
Subject: Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous
01/10/2022 19:35
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Nobody is real life actually cares about “diversity.” It’s all bogus and smoke and mirrors. Ideally, I want my kids are smart, ambitious and rich — I frankly could not care less about the racial makeup.
We are white and our DCs are white. Both of them paid attention to demography stats when reading about and touring schools. They did not want to attend schools that were less diverse than their current high school.
It’s always interesting to get insight into how some people think. People who don’t value diversity and don’t think that knowing and learning from a broad range of people is a great thing really can’t comprehend why it’s important to people who do value diversity. They assume that when people responds to the silly “nobody cares” post by saying “I care” that it must somehow be performative. They really just can’t fathom that we’d rather be around a lot of different kinds of people.
And everybody clapped.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 18:57
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As a brown URM I would never choose a LAC or SLACK because they tend to lack racial diversity. Public flagships have more people that look like me.
For the more rural LACs that can be true, but many LACs have a strong diversity of students, especially those that are more selective. You should check out their Common Data Sets to see the numbers.
I have yet to find one. Would love to be pointed in that direction. I suspect we may have different ideas of "strong diversity."
Nobody is real life actually cares about “diversity.” It’s all bogus and smoke and mirrors. Ideally, I want my kids are smart, ambitious and rich — I frankly could not care less about the racial makeup.
Wow.
You did not say that you hope they are happy. Ethical/honest. Contributing to society. Good parents/spouses.
What messed up values.
It comes as no surprise that you do not value diversity. You do not even seem to value your kid’s mental health.
Anonymous
01/10/2022 18:40
Subject: Re:Why a Large Flagship/Public?
"Good for you. Not everyone is racists. Many people care about diversity. My kids did in picking schools and they are as white as they come. One is at Harvard and the other is at UMD College Park. They're both happy."
Thank you for raising good human beings.
Thank you for raising good human beings.