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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely teach it for anyone who wants to take it. History is continually changing based on views and perspectives.

I was a WWII history buff for many years. And - pretty much every book written on the European theater prior to about 1995 is just pure crap. No one knew about Enigma and with that knowledge now out, just about everything with all decision making changed.

WWII history buffs never called for a revolution and overthrow of the government. Those who want CR - or CRT - taught aren't in it to make an academic point. They want a revolution, a reparation - and communism. How do you think NKorea got their way? You ok with that?

Academics who write about and teach CRT… want communism? Do you even realize how utterly delusional you are?

Academics who wrote about CT - Horkeinem, Adorno, Marcuse and many postmoderists were leftists and communists.

It's one thing to clear about the sordid history. It's another to call for a revolution and vommunism to bring about a more equitable system.

Think AOC. She belongs to socialist democrats. Go check out her party to see what their end game is.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely teach it for anyone who wants to take it. History is continually changing based on views and perspectives.

I was a WWII history buff for many years. And - pretty much every book written on the European theater prior to about 1995 is just pure crap. No one knew about Enigma and with that knowledge now out, just about everything with all decision making changed.

WWII history buffs never called for a revolution and overthrow of the government. Those who want CR - or CRT - taught aren't in it to make an academic point. They want a revolution, a reparation - and communism. How do you think NKorea got their way? You ok with that?

Academics who write about and teach CRT… want communism? Do you even realize how utterly delusional you are?

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely teach it for anyone who wants to take it. History is continually changing based on views and perspectives.

I was a WWII history buff for many years. And - pretty much every book written on the European theater prior to about 1995 is just pure crap. No one knew about Enigma and with that knowledge now out, just about everything with all decision making changed.

WWII history buffs never called for a revolution and overthrow of the government. Those who want CR - or CRT - taught aren't in it to make an academic point. They want a revolution, a reparation - and communism. How do you think NKorea got their way? You ok with that?

You are crazy, you know that? What could possibly be wrong about exploring American history and institutions through the filter of race? Yes, some people jump to facile, lazy groupings and some deny any value. But like any good scholarly technique, it provides a way to examine things. Pretty much the opposite of authoritarian.

Anonymous wrote:Absolutely teach it for anyone who wants to take it. History is continually changing based on views and perspectives.

I was a WWII history buff for many years. And - pretty much every book written on the European theater prior to about 1995 is just pure crap. No one knew about Enigma and with that knowledge now out, just about everything with all decision making changed.

WWII history buffs never called for a revolution and overthrow of the government. Those who want CR - or CRT - taught aren't in it to make an academic point. They want a revolution, a reparation - and communism. How do you think NKorea got their way? You ok with that?

Absolutely teach it for anyone who wants to take it. History is continually changing based on views and perspectives.

I was a WWII history buff for many years. And - pretty much every book written on the European theater prior to about 1995 is just pure crap. No one knew about Enigma and with that knowledge now out, just about everything with all decision making changed.

In NKorea, they teach CT - Critical Theory - on the systematic evils of capitalism where in the struggle between the oppressors vs the oppressed, the oppressed must seek revolution. The workers must overthrow those in the power with the means of production. Then, Boom. They want the country to turn into a communist society.

Anonymous wrote:Yes, I'm totally fine with it. I guess I really don't get the uproar? I'm not saying that to be obtuse, I truly don't understand why it's so controversial to teach kids about redlining, racial covenants, three strikes you're out, etc. I learned about redlining and disproportionality in high school (in not particularly liberal part of Wisconsin, mind you) in the late 90s, it's not that new. Somehow we all survived.

Yep.

Dems/Libs/Progressives are just terrible with communication and Republicans seized on how scary “CRT” sounds like a disease and I really can’t fathom what they think it is. It’s just American history. We have things we should be proud of (founding of country based on religious freedoms! Opportunities for immigrants and refugees!) and things we should know and learn from (taking land from native Americans caused harm and suffering; much of our country’s wealth was bc we used free slave labor) so we can be better people in the future. What’s more American than that? I was raised by parents who were socially conscious and taught me basically the themes of CRT without label long it as such and I was/am:

1) not traumatized or harmed
2) did/do not feel shame or guilt bc I am white
3) did/do not love America any less and feel fortunate and proud to be American
4) excited for our multiethnic future

What does concern me? The fact that there is a recent poll out showing Donald Trump is up 14% over Biden in Michigan, there is a Republican Representative who created and circulated a cartoon killing another Representative and his party did not throw him out but merely slapped him on wrist, and that Gerrymandering and the Electoral college has made it pretty likely Republicans will gain control of House in a clear circumvention of the will of the majority.

And to continue my rant, the NYT piece on why Blue States are to Blame also resonates. The NIMBY Dems also need to recognize their role.

So many say CRT doesn't exist in schools, it's boogeyman, what is it even, etc.

99% of parents are fine with teaching students the same history schools were teaching here when I was a kid - that our country had slaves brought on slave ships, important historical Black figures like Harriet Tubman, the Civil War, Jim Crow, segregation, Civil Rights movement, etc.

It's the radicalism that some parents are concerned about. Like teachers putting down the students themselves, or threatening them by saying if they aren't an "activist" for X, Y, Z causes, then they are a bad human being.

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[...] Towards the end when the British freed slaves fighting for them, some states feared it, but slavery was a non-issue in the Revolution with the exception of Jefferson randomly trying to blame it on England.

... Jefferson randomly trying to blame it on England while repeatedly raping an underage girl.

I guess teaching that part is CRT. Ban it!!!

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with banning a style of teaching that would precludes both grading based on content rather than effort and the use of proper grammar.

That is syntactically one messed-up sentence. Might want to go back to school to get some proper instruction on how to write clearly.

p.s. gonna require "proper" grammar in a poetry writing seminar? Guffaw.

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Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

LOL

lol what? Getting/expecting good grades has been deemed a white supremacist value.

Cite the CRT handbook you are referencing so we can all go look at it. Also cite the schools that hace adopted that guidebook.

And this is where anyone saying crt isn’t a thing loses credibility. No one says there is a guide book or a Manuel. If you want to learn about how standards based grading is racist, look up Asao B. Inoue and his push to move towards effort based grading.

And this would be ONE person using that lens to make ONE argument. That then others in the field use either the same lens or a different one to make a counterargument or add nuance to the argument or provide evidence to support or counter a claim to the argument etc. There's no prescription--there are people posing ideas and arguments and people challenging them using argument and evidence. That's what academia is about. There is a good deal of disagreement among people who use CRT (and those who don't) on implications and claims on the same topic as grading or anything else they look at. Academics make their careers by posing ideas that go against other ideas, supplement ideas, contribute new data that changes thinking etc. No one gets an academic career saying "I think the exact same thing as someone else and here's why" That is what kills your career--if you don't find a niche where you contribute something new to the body of knowledge.

Anonymous wrote:I have no problem with banning a style of teaching that would precludes both grading based on content rather than effort and the use of proper grammar.

yeah, but let's see what the administration at ASU has to say. Probably nothing.

I have no problem with banning a style of teaching that would precludes both grading based on content rather than effort and the use of proper grammar.

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Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

LOL

lol what? Getting/expecting good grades has been deemed a white supremacist value.

Cite the CRT handbook you are referencing so we can all go look at it. Also cite the schools that hace adopted that guidebook.

And this is where anyone saying crt isn’t a thing loses credibility. No one says there is a guide book or a Manuel. If you want to learn about how standards based grading is racist, look up Asao B. Inoue and his push to move towards effort based grading.

While I agree with the PP who says that there is no CRT handbook that says good grades are white supremacist culture, I do believe that they are a bit naive or uninformed about how CRT concepts have shaped curriculums. I have read math curriculums that literally say “focusing on getting the right answer is white supremacist culture.”

Btw, I have no issues with CRT being taught in college or late high school, provided that it is taught as what it is, which is a theory.

You should take that up with Republicans who are so frightened by it that they want to ban it from all schools including college.

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Anonymous wrote:so professor: do you believe that students who are encouraged to get good grades are being subject to a white supremacist concept? This is directly from CRT. Do you want your kids to get good grades?

LOL

lol what? Getting/expecting good grades has been deemed a white supremacist value.

Cite the CRT handbook you are referencing so we can all go look at it. Also cite the schools that hace adopted that guidebook.

And this is where anyone saying crt isn’t a thing loses credibility. No one says there is a guide book or a Manuel. If you want to learn about how standards based grading is racist, look up Asao B. Inoue and his push to move towards effort based grading.

Wrong again

https://www.amazon.com/Critical-Race-Theory-Third-Introduction/dp/147980276X

Those are some very interesting reviews! Some of the people here who defend CRT and say it's not really a thing should read them.

Amazon reviews as a source for information, sounds reliable