Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 22:17     Subject: VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Is that you KG?
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 22:14     Subject: VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Comical watching these arguments. Still 6 plus weeks away from states. Since Feb there are 6 schools that can win this and I can’t see a way forward for anyone else. No particular order is Indy and Battlefield from their region, Cosby, Robo, and Madison and Yorktown I’m not sure anyone else can make noise. Sorry Saxons. Total wildcard who joins from Robo and Cosby region. Unlikely they push the top seed.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 22:06     Subject: VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
What ever happened to educated guess/gut call predictions. I miss knowledgeable guy. Is there a signal we can send out to get him back?
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:54     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?


Lololol really man

You wrote:

Quickly threw together an opponent-adjusted offensive rating:

Independence — 17.66
Yorktown — 13.55
Battlefield — 13.12
Robinson — 13.01
Chantilly — 12.37
Madison — 11.50
Oakton — 9.22

Shorthand from this version of the model:

Elite scoring case: Independence
Very strong: Yorktown, Battlefield, Robinson
Solid but less explosive: Chantilly, Madison
More grindy: Oakton

Then you wrote:

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Just making stuff up




Look, you didn't read and you're dumb.

" I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals."

I literally explained this to you. I can't effing spoon feed the luddites because you can't read. You don't understand math and numbers, but also you can't read.


So the offense from one post to the next is inconsistent because you made them based on goals…to make them comparable with the defense? Ok. How does that work when not every team has played the same number of games?


It's an average. It accounts for the number of games played.


If the first rendition wasn’t based on goals, what was the scoring?
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:47     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?


Lololol really man

You wrote:

Quickly threw together an opponent-adjusted offensive rating:

Independence — 17.66
Yorktown — 13.55
Battlefield — 13.12
Robinson — 13.01
Chantilly — 12.37
Madison — 11.50
Oakton — 9.22

Shorthand from this version of the model:

Elite scoring case: Independence
Very strong: Yorktown, Battlefield, Robinson
Solid but less explosive: Chantilly, Madison
More grindy: Oakton

Then you wrote:

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Just making stuff up




Look, you didn't read and you're dumb.

" I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals."

I literally explained this to you. I can't effing spoon feed the luddites because you can't read. You don't understand math and numbers, but also you can't read.


So the offense from one post to the next is inconsistent because you made them based on goals…to make them comparable with the defense? Ok. How does that work when not every team has played the same number of games?


It's an average. It accounts for the number of games played.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:19     Subject: VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Question: if Indy defense is so good and YT defense is so bad then how come Indy lets battlefield score 9 on them and YT let in 10, seems somewhat even to me.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:16     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?


Lololol really man

You wrote:

Quickly threw together an opponent-adjusted offensive rating:

Independence — 17.66
Yorktown — 13.55
Battlefield — 13.12
Robinson — 13.01
Chantilly — 12.37
Madison — 11.50
Oakton — 9.22

Shorthand from this version of the model:

Elite scoring case: Independence
Very strong: Yorktown, Battlefield, Robinson
Solid but less explosive: Chantilly, Madison
More grindy: Oakton

Then you wrote:

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Just making stuff up




Look, you didn't read and you're dumb.

" I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals."

I literally explained this to you. I can't effing spoon feed the luddites because you can't read. You don't understand math and numbers, but also you can't read.


So the offense from one post to the next is inconsistent because you made them based on goals…to make them comparable with the defense? Ok. How does that work when not every team has played the same number of games?
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:14     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


I didn't realize Madison was that good, at least by the numbers. Hear a lot more about the others on here for defense.


They aren’t, they’ve only played 9 games


It's an opponent adjusted metric expressed PER GAME. It's a valid per game analysis of the scoring data.

If you want to add the context that their future games have opponents who are expected to score at a higher rate than their opponents to date then that'd help.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:11     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?


Lololol really man

You wrote:

Quickly threw together an opponent-adjusted offensive rating:

Independence — 17.66
Yorktown — 13.55
Battlefield — 13.12
Robinson — 13.01
Chantilly — 12.37
Madison — 11.50
Oakton — 9.22

Shorthand from this version of the model:

Elite scoring case: Independence
Very strong: Yorktown, Battlefield, Robinson
Solid but less explosive: Chantilly, Madison
More grindy: Oakton

Then you wrote:

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Just making stuff up




Look, you didn't read and you're dumb.

" I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals."

I literally explained this to you. I can't effing spoon feed the luddites because you can't read. You don't understand math and numbers, but also you can't read.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 21:02     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


I didn't realize Madison was that good, at least by the numbers. Hear a lot more about the others on here for defense.


They aren’t, they’ve only played 9 games
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 20:56     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?


Lololol really man

You wrote:

Quickly threw together an opponent-adjusted offensive rating:

Independence — 17.66
Yorktown — 13.55
Battlefield — 13.12
Robinson — 13.01
Chantilly — 12.37
Madison — 11.50
Oakton — 9.22

Shorthand from this version of the model:

Elite scoring case: Independence
Very strong: Yorktown, Battlefield, Robinson
Solid but less explosive: Chantilly, Madison
More grindy: Oakton

Then you wrote:

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Just making stuff up


Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 20:54     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


I didn't realize Madison was that good, at least by the numbers. Hear a lot more about the others on here for defense.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 20:48     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess


Do you not understand the difference between offense and defense?
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 20:19     Subject: VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Fixed*

Defense

Indy 7098836648.088
Battlefield 66667784764.9999
Madison 476469373.88
Oakton 76473784774748848.8978787
YT 908.8
Robinson 274637.8089889

Offense

Indy 384.90
Battlefield 980.9
Madison 22233.2
Oakton 100.100
YT 89887.999
Robinson -3.14
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2026 20:14     Subject: Re:VHSL Boys Lacrosse 2026 Season
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What elite defenses has Madison played other than Robinson and Stab?


How many are there?


Same data -

Opponent-adjusted defensive rating

Robinson — 75.79
Madison — 75.72
Independence — 74.61
Oakton — 72.13
Yorktown — 71.42
Battlefield — 69.18
Chantilly — 66.36

Raw goals allowed per game in the same sample

Madison: 3.63
Robinson: 3.80
Independence: 3.80
Battlefield: 4.88
Oakton: 6.70
Yorktown: 7.60
Chantilly: 11.09


How did you come up with these? Why is the offensive score in the teens and the defensive scores in the 60s and 70s.


I used the LN data on the 6a teams ratings, then took the game by game results of the top teams in discussion and came up with an opponent-adjusted offensive and defensive scale, but I didn't take the time to make them consistent. I should have done that so the O and D versions were more comparable, based on goals.

I've done that now.

Adj Off, best to worst

Independence — 16.89
Yorktown — 13.60
Robinson — 13.56
Madison — 11.83
Chantilly — 11.29
Battlefield — 11.14
Oakton — 9.31

Adj Def, best to worst (lower goals allowed is better)

Robinson — 2.74
Madison — 2.80
Independence — 3.91
Oakton — 6.39
Yorktown — 7.10
Battlefield — 7.43
Chantilly — 12.16


What’s an opponent adjusted scale and why have the team orders changed again lol

This is a mess