Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. I think we'll end up in a conflict with Russia sooner - if we support Ukraine militarily now - or later - when he decides he quite fancies getting the Baltics back and redrawing the border with Poland. This is not something we can stay out of, we just haven't realized it. Hence my argument that all that talk about getting dragged into a third world war missing the obvious point: we are at the beginning already.

This is where my thoughts are right now, as much as I don’t want them to be.

Re-posting the Fiona Hill article/interview - we are already in WW III - ignore the incendiary headline. It's a very good analysis.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/02/28/world-war-iii-already-there-00012340

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Anonymous wrote:“We stand with Ukraine” is the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers.” Meaningless.

Biden’s tough talk is meaningless. “We are ready. We are United.” Just words. We are watching Russia roll into Ukraine. I don’t get it.

Nobody wants a world war, but what’s the alternative? Just let Russia take Ukraine? Then what?

Please spell out what the US should do. I get the seeming futility, but what do you think should be done?

PP doesn’t want to do anything and just wants to try to tag Biden as weak.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

Thermobaric bombs. Nukes next?

Disinformation. This is the Cherkasy explosion, which was an ammo depot.

You good little trolls pushing the nuke angle, over and over, just like Vlad.

Not thermobaric and not Cherkasy.

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Anonymous wrote:Exactly. I think we'll end up in a conflict with Russia sooner - if we support Ukraine militarily now - or later - when he decides he quite fancies getting the Baltics back and redrawing the border with Poland. This is not something we can stay out of, we just haven't realized it. Hence my argument that all that talk about getting dragged into a third world war missing the obvious point: we are at the beginning already.

Yes. And the only consistent way to keep supplying Ukraine with weapons, food, medicine, etc. is through one of it neighbors - most likely Poland. And then you get into some real issue with Russia obviously wanting to cut off the supply lines and perhaps a rocket ends up in Poland not entirely intentionally. And what happens then?

Romania, Slovakia, and Hungary are also NATO members.

If this drags on I don't see how NATO doesn't get involved. Just a very scary time. I watched Dr. Zhivago and Empire of the Sun over the weekend. Both of those films have that quality of everything changing in an instant. I feel like there's a collective shock right now.

Anonymous wrote:“We stand with Ukraine” is the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers.” Meaningless.

Biden’s tough talk is meaningless. “We are ready. We are United.” Just words. We are watching Russia roll into Ukraine. I don’t get it.

Nobody wants a world war, but what’s the alternative? Just let Russia take Ukraine? Then what?

Please spell out what the US should do. I get the seeming futility, but what do you think should be done?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

This.

+1

He needs NATO to intervene in order to justify his action. It is horrible that Ukraine has to take this sacrifice, but the morale and resolve amongst Russians and the Russian army is very low.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

Thermobaric bombs. Nukes next?

Disinformation. This is the Cherkasy explosion, which was an ammo depot.

You good little trolls pushing the nuke angle, over and over, just like Vlad.

Nothing happened in Cherkasy, confirmed by local authorities 2 days ago.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

Thermobaric bombs. Nukes next?

Disinformation. This is the Cherkasy explosion, which was an ammo depot.

You good little trolls pushing the nuke angle, over and over, just like Vlad.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

Thermobaric bombs. Nukes next?

Anonymous wrote:Exactly. I think we'll end up in a conflict with Russia sooner - if we support Ukraine militarily now - or later - when he decides he quite fancies getting the Baltics back and redrawing the border with Poland. This is not something we can stay out of, we just haven't realized it. Hence my argument that all that talk about getting dragged into a third world war missing the obvious point: we are at the beginning already.

This is where my thoughts are right now, as much as I don’t want them to be.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

This.

Exactly. I think we'll end up in a conflict with Russia sooner - if we support Ukraine militarily now - or later - when he decides he quite fancies getting the Baltics back and redrawing the border with Poland. This is not something we can stay out of, we just haven't realized it. Hence my argument that all that talk about getting dragged into a third world war missing the obvious point: we are at the beginning already.

“We stand with Ukraine” is the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers.” Meaningless.

Biden’s tough talk is meaningless. “We are ready. We are United.” Just words. We are watching Russia roll into Ukraine. I don’t get it.

Nobody wants a world war, but what’s the alternative? Just let Russia take Ukraine? Then what?

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

I suspect he's so brutal in Ukraine because he's trying to provoke NATO and its allies into further action, such as defending air space over Ukraine. The worse this gets, the harder it becomes ethically not to get involved. His deliberate and brutal targeting of civilians is designed to provoke us further into what looks a lot like the beginning of a world war.

Anonymous wrote:What do we gain by leaving Ukraine to fight Russia on its own?
I don’t get it. Now nato is worried where Putin will go after Ukraine. Why not prevent Russia from taking Ukraine and rolling into Moldova, etc. I don’t get it.

Why aren’t we using drones to handle Russian convoys?

Because that would be a declaration of war. NATO is a defensive alliance. If Russia crosses our borders we will defend. Until then we will rally the world to make his invasion of Ukraine painful.