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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

Very sad, but how could Trump be linked to these issues, given the confidential nature of the topic?

Are you serious with this question?

Well if you're going to lay deaths of agents working on behalf of the US - hopefully American citizens, since foreign agents won't generate the same sympathy from the right-wing you're targeting - at the door of the former President, then you'd better have something better than "he may have leaked secrets to foreign leaders and agents all throughout his 4 years as President and beyond!" and "CIA reports spike in agent deaths and imprisonment in 2021!".

You've got to put yourself in their shoes and think like them. Right now all they'll say is: "Darn, that CIA is incompetent. No, Trump keeping docs has nothing to do with this. He's a brilliant man. Of course he would never endanger any our agents. Hey, how many of our agents are actually Muslim and double agents, BTW?"

You know how their lonely little neuron works.

You think 21 CIA officers (who are all American citizens) were killed by foreign governments and all you've heard about it is a story in the New York Times?

It helps if you have the most basic understanding of the distinction between a case officer and a confidential human source (asset) when discussing CIA clandestine intelligence operations.

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Unbelievable the stupidity of the MAGAs.

Anonymous wrote:Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

He can’t and didn’t declassify them but even if he could and did they are still government documents and he is not the government. He can’t keep any of them.

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

Very sad, but how could Trump be linked to these issues, given the confidential nature of the topic?

Are you serious with this question?

Well if you're going to lay deaths of agents working on behalf of the US - hopefully American citizens, since foreign agents won't generate the same sympathy from the right-wing you're targeting - at the door of the former President, then you'd better have something better than "he may have leaked secrets to foreign leaders and agents all throughout his 4 years as President and beyond!" and "CIA reports spike in agent deaths and imprisonment in 2021!".

You've got to put yourself in their shoes and think like them. Right now all they'll say is: "Darn, that CIA is incompetent. No, Trump keeping docs has nothing to do with this. He's a brilliant man. Of course he would never endanger any our agents. Hey, how many of our agents are actually Muslim and double agents, BTW?"

You know how their lonely little neuron works.

You think 21 CIA officers (who are all American citizens) were killed by foreign governments and all you've heard about it is a story in the New York Times?

It helps if you have the most basic understanding of the distinction between a case officer and a confidential human source (asset) when discussing CIA clandestine intelligence operations.

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Anonymous wrote:Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

1) there are some things that were in his possession that he cannot declassify
2) he hadn't declassified anything
3) he never should have had possession of this stuff in the first place
4) they should have been in a SCIF, not in a basement accessible to all comers
5) now we understand that Mar-A-Lago was frought with spies for years.

+1 also for the crimes he’s accused of, it doesn’t matter if the documents are classified or not.

Anonymous wrote:Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

Declassification is a red herring. It’s a ruse employed by people who have reason to believe that Trump betrayed his nation by providing too secret information to other countries. There is no logical justification for the unitary “magic wand” declassification. Had a program been declassified steps would have been taken by stakeholders to protect assets and sources/methods from disclosure. The president can’t simply declassify on an ongoing operation or program without regard to its repercussions. The only reason Trump claims to have used his unbridled declassification authority is so that he (or one of his operatives like Patel or Cohen Watnick) could share information without consultation with the IC. It’s a blatant attempt to circumvent the Espionage Act by people who didn’t fundamentally understand the law, or just didn’t care.

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

Very sad, but how could Trump be linked to these issues, given the confidential nature of the topic?

Are you serious with this question?

Well if you're going to lay deaths of agents working on behalf of the US - hopefully American citizens, since foreign agents won't generate the same sympathy from the right-wing you're targeting - at the door of the former President, then you'd better have something better than "he may have leaked secrets to foreign leaders and agents all throughout his 4 years as President and beyond!" and "CIA reports spike in agent deaths and imprisonment in 2021!".

You've got to put yourself in their shoes and think like them. Right now all they'll say is: "Darn, that CIA is incompetent. No, Trump keeping docs has nothing to do with this. He's a brilliant man. Of course he would never endanger any our agents. Hey, how many of our agents are actually Muslim and double agents, BTW?"

You know how their lonely little neuron works.

You think 21 CIA officers (who are all American citizens) were killed by foreign governments and all you've heard about it is a story in the New York Times?

this thread

Our country, mostly funded by the GOP, spent trillions of dollars building up this human intelligence infrastructure and Trump just made it go *poof*

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

I realize this is the new fun parlor game right not, but I find the total speculation clickbait irritating. It would be incredibly helpful if someone that had worked extensively in the IC and in or with the White House would come out and talk about the types of information that would routinely be provided to the President, because a list of CIA assets ain't it.

That doesn't mean the President COULDN'T obtain that information, but a request like that would be highly scrutinized and even pushed back on. There's this perception that because the President has classification authority and is cleared to see pretty much all intelligence based on the office that he or she can go fire up a computer and spit out every sensitive piece of information the IC has. That's just not true.

He didn't need a "list of CIA assets" -- their names are embedded in the documents he kept about specific operations.

"Oh look, we got some intel on Putin -- I bet he'd like to know that. And the name of the guy inside his circle who provided it."

Anonymous wrote:Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

1) there are some things that were in his possession that he cannot declassify
2) he hadn't declassified anything
3) he never should have had possession of this stuff in the first place
4) they should have been in a SCIF, not in a basement accessible to all comers
5) now we understand that Mar-A-Lago was frought with spies for years.

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Anonymous wrote:

Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

I realize this is the new fun parlor game right not, but I find the total speculation clickbait irritating. It would be incredibly helpful if someone that had worked extensively in the IC and in or with the White House would come out and talk about the types of information that would routinely be provided to the President, because a list of CIA assets ain't it.

That doesn't mean the President COULDN'T obtain that information, but a request like that would be highly scrutinized and even pushed back on. There's this perception that because the President has classification authority and is cleared to see pretty much all intelligence based on the office that he or she can go fire up a computer and spit out every sensitive piece of information the IC has. That's just not true.

You are way behind on the news if you are asking these questions. the Times article is from October 2021. The names of the people compromised are known to our Intel community. It won't take long to match them up with the files from Mar-A-Lago.

Anonymous wrote:The damage is done.
This is a dismantling of our intelligence apparatus.
Was it the intent or the byproduct?
Doesn’t really matter now.

Intent. His berating speech at the CIA HQ on his second day in office, and his constant maligning of the "deep state" (aka our law enforcement) are the tell.

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Jeez. I had read about the fact that we had more informants than usual being compromised. Do you really think it’s connected to Trump? If so, no wonder even the cautious Garland had to act.

What are republican (members of congress) saying now? I know they were all “FBI overreach” at the beginning but haven’t heard anything recently.

Here is the NY Times article: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html

Very sad, but how could Trump be linked to these issues, given the confidential nature of the topic?

Uh, his handwriting and fingerprints are on the classified documents that have been in his possession since January, 2021 and somehow, people named in the HUMINT files are offed or compromised and you are seriously asking this question?

Donnie is claiming he declassified everything he took (which I don't believe, but anyway...).

Can he even do that for some of the stuff he is alleged to have? Could he just declassify the names of CIA informants or of people under FISA wire tap, take the materials with him when he left off, and then hand it over to, say, the Saudis or Russians?

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Anonymous wrote:I just witnessed my 70 year old father have a mini angry meltdown about the “FBI is out of control”. He’s not full blown trumplican, but an exclusive watch fox viewer.
Anybody else seeing this type of angry reaction to recent developments? His reaction was a little surprising and reminded me of Kubler-Ross a bit.

Can you send him the Karl Rove clip from above?

I tried to bring that and that’s what got me shouted down. It shocked me and I just dropped what I thought was just the normal teasing banter we usually engage in.

Could he be starting dementia? Any other signs?